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Guenon · Post by **Guenon** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:15 pm

Synthman2000 wrote:Anyone who truly appreciates music knows AI music is dead, both actually and figuratively. It has no future because it has no past it comes from a place of zero experiences. Maybe for some that is the unique and interesting aspect, for me it comes from and empty place (not even empty because that place does not even exist), nothing and nowhere which is the opposite of human musical endeavour.

Music and its interdependence with emotion and other human factors means it is infinitely complex as it is an interaction between the creator and the listener. But that infinite complexity is relative to human experiences/memory/futures/lives/times/moments/people/places and probably 10's of other factors that are traits of human brain activity/auditory experience/consciousness.

Without consciousness in creation and consumption the true power of music is non existent.

A cave man and woman singing, making rudimentary rhythms from hand made instruments in a cave reverb is a million times more interesting and valuable than AI music.

AI music is as much use as jeans made from blue tissue paper.

Haha

Quoted for posterity, although it's just more of the same. And not just more of the same from the same writer, but also in the historical perspective, as numerous things have been declared uninteresting and dead and futureless and empty throughout the history of different arts. There will be interesting ethical and aesthetic questions to be dealt with regarding AI, ones that are already nascent in the state of AI development today, but the kinds of answers (and the kinds of questions they imply) quoted above will soon be petty and naive in comparison.

Specifically replying to the first statement, "anyone who truly appreciates music knows AI music is dead" : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:21 pm

i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.

Dewdman42 · Post by **Dewdman42** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:28 pm

I think the art of writing a great catchy melody or musical motive that really moves people, is as elusive to many great and experienced musicians, as it will be to AI. AI will be able to do some amazing things someday, but I think it will be a while before Ai is able to figure out how to line up intelligence with emotion.. Many a great musicians I know that can't write anything but mediocre music. AI will be able to write pretty decent sounding, yet mediocre music in the not too distant future. Music will be cheap as dirt....but those amazing "inspired" bits...I don't think AI will be able to do it any time soon.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:31 pm

vurt wrote:i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.

You know what? I sometimes really think it is. It's all a big test, made by extraterrestrians, which want to check how humanity develops, because they reached a dead end in their development and society. They're invisible to us, but they watch over everyone. That's also why there's so many conspiracy theories, and so much fear of observation. They all suspect something, but noone really knows what it is! And, yes, i am perfectly sane. I think...

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:33 pm

we're assuming that an advanced setient ai will even have any interest in music. or the survival of the human race.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:35 pm

chk071 wrote:
vurt wrote:i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.

You know what? I sometimes really think it is. It's all a big test, made by extraterrestrians, which want to check how humanity develops, because they reached a dead end in their development and society. They're invisible to us, but they watch over everyone. That's also why there's so many conspiracy theories, and so much fear of observation. They all suspect something, but noone really knows what it is! And, yes, i am perfectly sane. I think...

theoretical physics doesnt disagree. anything is possible.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:15 pm

vurt wrote:
chk071 wrote:
vurt wrote:i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.

You know what? I sometimes really think it is. It's all a big test, made by extraterrestrians, which want to check how humanity develops, because they reached a dead end in their development and society. They're invisible to us, but they watch over everyone. That's also why there's so many conspiracy theories, and so much fear of observation. They all suspect something, but noone really knows what it is! And, yes, i am perfectly sane. I think...
theoretical physics doesnt disagree. anything is possible.

I was about to post the same thing. This is actual real physics. You can not disprove that everything we are experiencing isn’t a virtual construct. It’s a hot button issue. We, ourselves, could actually be the result of some SIM like video game until proven otherwise.

Cinebient · Post by **Cinebient** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:19 pm

Dasheesh wrote:
vurt wrote:
chk071 wrote:
vurt wrote:i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.

You know what? I sometimes really think it is. It's all a big test, made by extraterrestrians, which want to check how humanity develops, because they reached a dead end in their development and society. They're invisible to us, but they watch over everyone. That's also why there's so many conspiracy theories, and so much fear of observation. They all suspect something, but noone really knows what it is! And, yes, i am perfectly sane. I think...
theoretical physics doesnt disagree. anything is possible.

I was about to post the same thing. This is actual real physics. You can not disprove that everything we are experiencing isn’t a virtual construct. It’s a hot button issue. We, ourselves, could actually be the result of some SIM like video game until proven otherwise.

Again....just read this and get nightmares:
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20160901 ... not-matter

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:41 pm

There are also these whole societies devoted to the working idea of merging the human soul with machines. More and more... science is pointing towards a "soul" as being an actual thing... if it is, we can identify it and propagate it to a computer or robot. many people believe this is the only way the human race can survive at this point, because the human body is too frail for deep space. There are lots of examples of this, but probably the most famous is Elon Musk.

https://www.space.com/37990-elon-musks- ... chine.html .

It's going to happen ... we are on this collision course to merge with computers and eventually build a virtual construct to live in. It's a matter of time.

Dasheesh · Post by **Dasheesh** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:44 pm

^^^ This prospect of joining man and machine... the moment that occurs is referred to as the "singularity" moment BTW. It is so accepted, it has a name.

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 5:52 pm

... and that name is Mister Bean.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:06 pm

Dasheesh wrote:I was about to post the same thing. This is actual real physics. You can not disprove that everything we are experiencing isn’t a virtual construct.

Furthermore, you can not disprove that everything experienced by the entities running the simulation we inhabit is not a virtual construct.

Its virtuals all the way up, Mr Russell.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:47 pm

Timfonie wrote:One simple question: how is the availability of sound- and music-generating software influencing the perception of music?

It isn't. Why would it?

vurt wrote:i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.

Since yours is the more extraordinary notion, the requirement of evidence is yours to meet.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:29 pm

jancivil wrote:
vurt wrote:i suppose it would be churlish to ask for actual evidence that reality as we know it isnt already a holographic construct, created by an advanced ai.
Since yours is the more extraordinary notion, the requirement of evidence is yours to meet.

extraordinary to whom?
to me its no more extraordinary than we are biological beings created by accident upon accident over billions of years from a point where absolute emptiness, nothingness, became everything.
in fact, although this is the theory i see the most evidence for and is probably closest to any truth we will understand in our lifetimes, i find this notion even more fantastical.

however, as quantum computing is apparently (according to its makers) proving the existence of the multiverse, they suggest this means there is every possibility, we are the simulation.
so i was just throwing it out there.

im still more interested in my earlier comment, regarding serenading sex-bots.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:31 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
Dasheesh wrote:I was about to post the same thing. This is actual real physics. You can not disprove that everything we are experiencing isn’t a virtual construct.
Furthermore, you can not disprove that everything experienced by the entities running the simulation we inhabit is not a virtual construct.

Its virtuals all the way up, Mr Russell.

nope.
level 42 is a natural biological 12 year old being doing his coding homework.

How will smart software (artificial intelligence) influence the perception and creation of music?