Arturia OB-Xa V

[AnX]

What accuracy?

analogue behaviour... which affects the sound greatly, the way each card/voice is slightly diff and defines the sound

I don't want to send the software for service repair, or replace cards, nor do I want it to have to "warm" for 20 minutes before being able to use it.

thanks to the joy of software, you dont need to

Did the users of the original units have access to those cards individually? Right from the control panel?

nope, but they did have access to them nonetheless

It's the sound that matters. If I can reproduce the same sounds using the same setting, I'm good. I simply don't care what kind of chip was inside the original units. I DON'T GIVE A F...

there's the rub, unless it's modelled accurately, you won't be able to do that

[fmr]

What accuracy?

analogue behaviour... which affects the sound greatly, the way each card/voice is slightly diff and defines the sound

Let's agree to disagree. "the way each card/voice is slightly diff" is something you could never achieve, since there will never be two cards that match exactly. So, which ones would you emulate? From which unit? It doesn't matter, IMO.

BTW - That's exactly the aim of TMT patented by Plugin Aliance. So far, and although I relly like their products, all tests I did didn't produce any noticeable difference. They claim that we will only be able to notice something in real massive mixes (more than 64 tracks).

Considering we are talking about EIGHT cards, and that they should be well calibrated, the differences should be neglectable, if the cards were in mint condition. If they were noticeable, that would mean something was wrong with the cards - I would not want software to "emulate" that

Did the users of the original units have access to those cards individually? Right from the control panel?

nope, but they did have access to them nonetheless

So, you pretend that, to be accurate, software shoud allow the user to do things that the hardware didn't (unless you were some kind of technician with enough knowledge of electronic circuits).

I wonder how many users would take advantage of those "features".

[Vortifex]

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[wagtunes]

Here's my demo of it, it does sound quite nice!

Honestly, this sounds God awful. Nothing else to say.

Without wishing to be unkind to that poster, after playing with this synth for a while I can safely say his demo does not give an accurate picture of its capabilities.

Yes...



IMO, this sounds excellent. YMMV.

[wagtunes]

Unique features

[AnX]

What accuracy?

analogue behaviour... which affects the sound greatly, the way each card/voice is slightly diff and defines the sound

Let's agree to disagree. "the way each card/voice is slightly diff" is something you could never achieve, since there will never be two cards that match exactly. So, which ones would you emulate? From which unit? It doesn't matter, IMO.

BTW - That's exactly the aim of TMT patented by Plugin Aliance. So far, and although I relly like their products, all tests I did didn't produce any noticeable difference. They claim that we will only be able to notice something in real massive mixes (more than 64 tracks).

Considering we are talking about EIGHT cards, and that they should be well calibrated, the differences should be neglectable, if the cards were in mint condition. If they were noticeable, that would mean something was wrong with the cards - I would not want software to "emulate" that

Did the users of the original units have access to those cards individually? Right from the control panel?

nope, but they did have access to them nonetheless

So, you pretend that, to be accurate, software shoud allow the user to do things that the hardware didn't (unless you were some kind of technician with enough knowledge of electronic circuits).

I wonder how many users would take advantage of those "features".

erm, no... you don't get it.... the cards have trimmers, fully user adjustable... its not black magic

and 8 free running osc going thru 8 sep filters and envs sound very diff to signal path that is singular

anyway, I'm just pointing out a tech difference that affects the sound, it's up to an individual to decide if it makes any diff to them when choosing a synth.

[fuzzlightyear]

When I play Synapse Audio The Legend, I feel really inspired by the 'aliveness' of the sound. I do not have the same experience with the Arturia Mini V. I think that Synapse (along with u-he and TAL) has really nailed the analog sound. If the Synapse OB-Xa has the same high quality as The Legend, then I think that it will be the one to get.

Completely agree,there's no oomph in some of the Arturia stuff it's quite thin sounding in comparison to Legend and U-Hes Pro5 as well is in my opinion far superior to Arturias

Have you noticed in 2020, that when a new product comes out and is just another emulation of an existing emulation of discontinued hardware, that there seems to be less and less enthusiasm surrounding it?

Have we reached the point of total instrument saturation of classic hardware and gear by now?

I find myself more interested in innovation and technological advancements or even a new workflow enhancement to be much more rewarding then yet another digital plugin that makes sounds of yesteryear.

I mean shouldn't people be comparing the songs they produced from the emulations instead of comparing things like the amount of 'bass' presence, which can easily be adjusted with EQ?

[chk071]

Have you noticed in 2020, that when a new product comes out and is just another emulation of an existing emulation of discontinued hardware, that there seems to be less and less enthusiasm surrounding it?

Emulation of a existing emulation? Not sure what you mean. They're all emulations of the original hardware, not of each other.

Apart from that, just check out the 53 pages of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=540847

I would say emulations are as popular as ever. If not more. AFAIC, software gets more popular by the minute, especially with those old dinosaurs getting too expensive to purchase, and more and more difficult to maintain.

[fmr]

erm, no... you don't get it.... the cards have trimmers, fully user adjustable... its not black magic

This is a picture of an OB-Xa card. Now, tell me what you would adjust, and why

Is this what you want access to?

[fuzzlightyear]

Have you noticed in 2020, that when a new product comes out and is just another emulation of an existing emulation of discontinued hardware, that there seems to be less and less enthusiasm surrounding it?

Emulation of a existing emulation? Not sure what you mean. They're all emulations of the original hardware, not of each other.

Apart from that, just check out the 53 pages of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=540847

I would say emulations are as popular as ever. If not more. AFAIC, software gets more popular by the minute, especially with those old dinosaurs getting too expensive to purchase, and more and more difficult to maintain.

Depends on your perspective.

They weren't the first to do the emulation, there are plenty in existence right now. So to make another one would basically be borrowing, copycatting or emulating something already achieved.

Secondly, I'm sure their developers took a long hard look at each and every emulation already in existence in order to try and improve upon it. Which again reinforces the emulation of emulation.

Just like Apple, they don't actually do anything original, they just improve upon what already exists.

Emulate and Simulate.

[wagtunes]

Have you noticed in 2020, that when a new product comes out and is just another emulation of an existing emulation of discontinued hardware, that there seems to be less and less enthusiasm surrounding it?

Emulation of a existing emulation? Not sure what you mean. They're all emulations of the original hardware, not of each other.

Apart from that, just check out the 53 pages of this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=540847

I would say emulations are as popular as ever. If not more. AFAIC, software gets more popular by the minute, especially with those old dinosaurs getting too expensive to purchase, and more and more difficult to maintain.

Absolutely, the number of people who either grew up in the era and can't afford the stuff now or those who love the sounds but never had the chance to buy the synths because they weren't even around then, has to be off the charts.

The only reason I didn't like synths back in the day was because they took up a lot of space, early on had no preset saving, cost a lot to buy and repair, were (in some cases) heavy as hell, required audio cables, MIDI cables and so on, and essentially turned my studio into a showroom with maybe just 6 or 7 synths.

Today, you can have 100 synths in a box and they're cheap as hell

I would never go back to those days for anything.

They were, for me anyway, horrible.

[chk071]

Have you noticed in 2020, that when a new product comes out and is just another emulation of an existing emulation of discontinued hardware, that there seems to be less and less enthusiasm surrounding it?

Emulation of a existing emulation? Not sure what you mean. They're all emulations of the original hardware, not of each other.

Apart from that, just check out the 53 pages of this thread: <span class="skimlinks-unlinked">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=540847</span>

I would say emulations are as popular as ever. If not more. AFAIC, software gets more popular by the minute, especially with those old dinosaurs getting too expensive to purchase, and more and more difficult to maintain.

Depends on your perspective.

They weren't the first to do the emulation, there are plenty in existence right now. So to make another one would basically be borrowing, copycatting or emulating something already achieved.

Secondly, I'm sure their developers took a long hard look at each and every emulation already in existence in order to try and improve upon it. Which again reinforces the emulation of emulation.

Just like Apple, they don't actually do anything original, they just improve upon what already exists.

Emulate and Simulate.

Well, that's the nature of emulation. I doubt they use any existing plugin as a blueprint though, rather the hardware. And, there's a lot of room for improvement, as you could have seen with any of the newer Minimoog emulations. They're far beyond anything which has been achieved before.

[vurt]

erm, no... you don't get it.... the cards have trimmers, fully user adjustable... its not black magic

This is a picture of an OB-Xa card. Now, tell me what you would adjust, and why

Is this what you want access to?

the trim pots?

black and white, little philips screw. theres a couple on there at least.

[vurt]

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[fuzzlightyear]

Absolutely, the number of people who either grew up in the era and can't afford the stuff now or those who love the sounds but never had the chance to buy the synths because they weren't even around then, has to be off the charts.

The only reason I didn't like synths back in the day was because they took up a lot of space, early on had no preset saving, cost a lot to buy and repair, were (in some cases) heavy as hell, required audio cables, MIDI cables and so on, and essentially turned my studio into a showroom with maybe just 6 or 7 synths.

Today, you can have 100 synths in a box and they're cheap as hell

I would never go back to those days for anything.

They were, for me anyway, horrible.

But, the big development and business issues with nailing down an emulation, is there will be no version 2 to continue the revenue turning over like a well paid subscription model.

Once all the classic hardware is emulated, where do you go next?
To the next company with their brand of emulation for your G.A.S.?