Nexus 3 competitors?

[-Yaz-]

So read again: You get EVERY SINGLE SOUND OF EVERY SQ PRESET. EVERY. SINGLE. SOUND. To be more precise even EVERY SINGLE LAYER OF THESE SOUNDS CONTAINED IN AN SQ PRESET. EVERY. SINGLE. LAYER. That's why an expansion consists not only of 128 sounds but of a great variety and multiple of layers and oscs.
You don't have to use any of the highly inspirational SQ melodies if you don't want to - but you can use nearly every single bit including single drums, single layers, even single oscs. Understand?

That's the beauty of this concept. You get these inspirational melodies on top to all the sounds.

Yes I DO GET IT I just don't care.

I've had Nexus since the first edition so I understand perfectly I just choose to avoid the SQ presets. Don't assume others don't understand a product just because they don't use it the same way you do.

[SirkusPi]

Fully agree with Yaz. I understand one can often (not always) disentangle a SQ by mucking around in the layers (sometimes a rhythm is baked-in to a sample layer). But it can also be a pain and lead to strange results. Which is fine - the SQs, although they can be disassembled, weren't necessarily meant to be. I also dislike SQs; if someone find them useful (whether as-is or deconstructed), that's great, and obviously a lot of people do, or they wouldn't keep including them. But I disagree strongly with outerspacecat's apparent assertion that anyone who doesn't appreciate the majesty of SQs simply is stupid and/or doesn't understand them.

[outerspacecat]

So read again: You get EVERY SINGLE SOUND OF EVERY SQ PRESET. EVERY. SINGLE. SOUND. To be more precise even EVERY SINGLE LAYER OF THESE SOUNDS CONTAINED IN AN SQ PRESET. EVERY. SINGLE. LAYER. That's why an expansion consists not only of 128 sounds but of a great variety and multiple of layers and oscs.
You don't have to use any of the highly inspirational SQ melodies if you don't want to - but you can use nearly every single bit including single drums, single layers, even single oscs. Understand?

That's the beauty of this concept. You get these inspirational melodies on top to all the sounds.

Yes I DO GET IT I just don't care.

I've had Nexus since the first edition so I understand perfectly I just choose to avoid the SQ presets. Don't assume others don't understand a product just because they don't use it the same way you do.

Obviously you still don't get it or you don't have a clue how to to operate Nexus.

If I don't get it, then please help me understand why you choose to avoid the SQ presets if you are after playable single sounds?

I just opened a random SQ preset from the EDM5 expansion which contains 12 layers. Sou you miss out on 12 additional single sounds (no melodies involved) to play and tweak to you personal likings.

[outerspacecat]

Fully agree with Yaz. I understand one can often (not always) disentangle a SQ by mucking around in the layers (sometimes a rhythm is baked-in to a sample layer). But it can also be a pain and lead to strange results. Which is fine - the SQs, although they can be disassembled, weren't necessarily meant to be. I also dislike SQs; if someone find them useful (whether as-is or deconstructed), that's great, and obviously a lot of people do, or they wouldn't keep including them. But I disagree strongly with outerspacecat's apparent assertion that anyone who doesn't appreciate the majesty of SQs simply is stupid and/or doesn't understand them.

That's totally fine. And to be precise I never called someone stupid!
But telling me to avoid SQ presets because one is after single sounds makes no sense. You miss out on plenty of fine layers you can use in totally different sounding scenarios.
And especially Nexus3 makes it more easier to work with these layers/arps due to the new interface.

[-Yaz-]

Obviously you still don't get it or you don't have a clue how to to operate Nexus.

You continue to be a pointless troll on here and accuse others of a lack of knowledge when you know literally zero about them or their technical skills (or lack thereof) so I'm done replying to you.

How about you use the product how you want and we do the same.

[outerspacecat]

Obviously you still don't get it or you don't have a clue how to to operate Nexus.

You continue to be a pointless troll on here and accuse others of a lack of knowledge when you know literally zero about them or their technical skills (or lack thereof) so I'm done replying to you.

How about you use the product how you want and we do the same.

Translation:

A: "I'm a guitarist and have a guitar. But I'm after guitar sounds"
B: "Fine, just play it."
A: "I choose not to play it."
B: "Okay, so that doesn't make sense to me, please explain."
A: "You pointless troll."

Okay, then...

[-Yaz-]

Translation:

A: "I'm a guitarist and have a guitar. But I'm after guitar sounds"
B: "Fine, just play it."
A: "I choose not to play it."
B: "Okay, so that doesn't make sense to me, please explain."
A: "You pointless troll."

Okay, then...

I produce techno on numerous labels along with other genres. That's exactly why I said you know precisely zero about me or others when making dickhead comments like this. But you carry on.

[Tannaliini]

My view: I rather buy a sample pack that has less sounds than some other IF the sound pack has sounds which are “unique” (don’t mean unique like you’ve never heard before but unique in that pack/not the same sound multiple times with different names).

I just think it’s much nicer to browse through 100 unique sounds than go through 1000 sounds and find out only 100 of those sounds very unique

[outerspacecat]

Translation:

A: "I'm a guitarist and have a guitar. But I'm after guitar sounds"
B: "Fine, just play it."
A: "I choose not to play it."
B: "Okay, so that doesn't make sense to me, please explain."
A: "You pointless troll."

Okay, then...

I produce techno on numerous labels along with other genres. That's exactly why I said you know precisely zero about me or others when making dickhead comments like this. But you carry on.

I have no clue what the single layers of SQ presets in Nexus has to do with if you are or I am even a billboard chart producer? That's where my education actually leaves me in the lurch...

Whereas to me the SQ things are the worst things about Nexus (or Avenger) - I don't want 'construction kits' I want single presets. In the same way I don't buy templates either.

You want single presets, fine. I told you that all the SQs provide you with single layers in it. You don't have to use the arps. You have plenty of additional single sounds in-between all these SQs.

But you still won't answer my question why you apparently didn't know about the underlaying SQ concept (because that's what you sated with SQ = construction kits and no single presets, so don't call me a dickhead if I assume that) or you just refuse to use them and especially why if you are after single sounds?

I would highly appreciate if you just would explain me why you are dismiss the SQ presets although they are just multis/combis/perfomances kind of presets sometimes containing several additional single sounds to play with.

[outerspacecat]

My view: I rather buy a sample pack that has less sounds than some other IF the sound pack has sounds which are “unique” (don’t mean unique like you’ve never heard before but unique in that pack/not the same sound multiple times with different names).

I just think it’s much nicer to browse through 100 unique sounds than go through 1000 sounds and find out only 100 of those sounds very unique

Totally agree. Usable class instead of mass. But that's why I'm such a fanboy of Nexus and Avenger, because they are usually nearly no fillers in it, pure quality - at least if you are after that commercial EDM sound of course.

[Tannaliini]

May I ask @-Yaz- & @SirkusPi why you dislike the SQ presets even if you can use them as single sounds? I understand it can be a bit of task to turn the all layers off (I saw a video where someone turned multiple layers off... I think it was SQ preset). Is this the reason you don’t like these?

I know sometimes the “feeling” of the sound can change if arp or SQ is taken away from it. So is this reason why you don’t like the SQ sounds?

SQ = What is it actually in Nexus3?

[zvenx]

........... But that's why I'm such a fanboy of Nexus and Avenger, because they are usually nearly no fillers in it, pure quality - at least if you are after that commercial EDM sound of course.

And that I have no arguments with you about. Fully Agree with you.
rsp

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

Man you've got no idea how huge advertising of my humble stuff you just made :)And yes you are right for most stuff,i'm changing whatever i want,honestly what you wrote made me smile,it's just old stuff i decide to release again,some are free,some not so,other are in development so on
About outdated synths i could argue especially when it comes to Firebird,it's pure gold,i wasn't trying to make commercial advertising here,just my sense of humor is too spicy for guys like you obviously hihihi it was joke ...whatever,sorry for hurting so many folks favourite synth feelings,i never said anything bad about it,but seems like some guys trying to put some negative label on me,curious,whats the fun of that:)Anyway don't feel bad about it,nice day to everybody

[SirkusPi]

........... But that's why I'm such a fanboy of Nexus and Avenger, because they are usually nearly no fillers in it, pure quality - at least if you are after that commercial EDM sound of course.

And that I have no arguments with you about. Fully Agree with you.
rsp

Agree regarding Nexus as well.

[SirkusPi]

May I ask @-Yaz- & @SirkusPi why you dislike the SQ presets even if you can use them as single sounds? I understand it can be a bit of task to turn the all layers off (I saw a video where someone turned multiple layers off... I think it was SQ preset). Is this the reason you don’t like these?

I know sometimes the “feeling” of the sound can change if arp or SQ is taken away from it. So is this reason why you don’t like the SQ sounds?

SQ = What is it actually in Nexus3?

I'm not personally, for my purposes, a fan of the premade SQ melodies, so I don't use them as such. But I am comfortable with diving into the layers, and indeed sometimes do go through an SQ's layers to isolate and then use an underlying sound. It's just kind of a pain and inconvenient, and I'd rather just have the pure sound as its own independent preset in the first place. As you say it's "a bit of a task." It's obviously not the biggest deal in the world, but it's just kind of a process drag.