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DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 5:56 pm

Well my personal conclusion on this would be : there’s no reason, no point (well, yes, I know, money) in looking for a do-it-all synth. You can come close, period.
Kontakt is the best for sample libraries, "place your favourite here" is the best for synthesis, and each emulation is the best for emulating each synth.
There is no way we could end this discussion.

glokraw · Post by **glokraw** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:02 pm

A lot of assumptions implied here, that it's good or normal, or necessary that someone/everyone know how, or want to learn how to, create sounds from scratch. There can be a difference between a product that 'provides it all' and one that can 'do it all, with capable hands/minds'. I'm not just content with, but delighted to, browse the works of the world's greatest sound desingners, and as many people do, apply some minor adjustments, or get lucky and stumble upon a nice modification.

Being awash in other creators great sounds, I'm more interested in adding rythmic elements to the sounds being recorded, and finding tempos in which the sounds/effects are maximized, which seems far easier than competing with the professional sound designers in a limited timeframe.

Despite being blessed with what I consider a treasure trove of sounds, it's good to know I've missed out on so many other really excellent products. Makes the future seem brighter than ever, and more products are hitting the shelves and servers as we speak

KVR is great source of knowledge

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:06 pm

True, that’s why I love forums. You meet people, with different opinions.
Sometimes you learn things, sometimes you read sh!t.
But that’s lot of fun.

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:09 pm

You can do pretty much anything you want with a versatile synth. It's more fun to have choices though.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:35 pm

I also enjoy in using masterfully crafted sounds to make music, sometimes those sounds themselves inspire me to make music, sit down and just play them, sometimes for hours... I don't enjoy one bit in designing the same and don't like to have to add effects to those sounds either so they sound usable and presentable, they should be production ready as they can and great ones are, you can always change something to fit the mix, but sound should be complete, as complete as possible. So those synths that can do a lot and have full blown effects racks mostly having amazing presets that someone really put effort and knowledge to make, I don't care if synth XYZ can do better bells in theory, when in practice I have bell patches that sound amazing at my disposal and spend 90% of my synth using time in synths browser anyway. I'm kind of guy that would take string ensemble from synth 9/10 times before actual or sampled one, any acoustic sound really, I like acoustic sounding synth patches quite a lot, but overall prefer synths over real deals, just I'm not into sound designing the same and tweaking madness.

Can one synth offer me all these sounds? Yes, Zebra does.

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:39 pm

The day when a synth can do it all is when all synth companies all merge into a huge company.
And I’m not sure this will be a good new for users...

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:43 pm

I was away from music for a very long time. On coming back I had no intention of investing a lot of money into it, so researched for a while and tried to buy a do-it-all synth. Falcon seemed to be the best option. Samples, wavetables, analogue this and that, additive, granular.
Sure enough it didn't take long to realise there was a lot it couldn't do, and lo and behold more money got spent on a whole lot more stuff.

Passing Bye · Post by **Passing Bye** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:44 pm

Same philosophy for people who use few DAW's, I use only one, it's enough for me.

CapnLockheed · Post by **CapnLockheed** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:51 pm

This thread reminds me of one of my wife's favorite questions.

"Do you really NEED all those guitars?"

Yes....yes I do.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:53 pm

DJErmac wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 6:39 pm The day when a synth can do it all is when all synth companies all merge into a huge company.
And I’m not sure this will be a good new for users...

the singularity

concon · Post by **concon** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:03 pm

Is the question here whether we can buy one synth and be satisfied?
There are lots of broadly capable synths and synth/sampler products available. For sound design, I now prefer MXXX, which includes a modular setup for synths, a sampler, a drummer, and all the effects I can imagine. I imagine Halion and Falcon offer much of the same.
But there are always going to be a bunch of boutique products that offer some unique sound capabilities, like Reaktor's Form and Skanner XT. And these are great, too.

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:09 pm

I suppose Avenger can do (most) of everything? Never tried Avenger so cannot comment on it further but i've seen what it is capable of so maybe go for that? I normally just have a couple of synthesizers for what ever i'm after. Basic pads, strings, bass etc. i go for V-Station, PG8X, Plugin Boutique VirtualCZ, Synth1 and so on and for more atmospheric pads i like Inspire CC and HG Fortunes plugins.

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:17 pm

Halonmusic wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:09 pm I suppose Avenger can do (most) of everything? Never tried Avenger so cannot comment on it further but i've seen what it is capable of so maybe go for that?

Yes, Avenger CAN do nearly everything, but its sampling capabilies are very limited. It's not advertised as a sampler. And as much as I love this synth, the "real" sounding libraries are, imho, -sorry-, really bad. So you still need Kontakt or such if you're trying to make realistic instruments.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:19 pm

DJErmac wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:17 pm
Halonmusic wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:09 pm I suppose Avenger can do (most) of everything? Never tried Avenger so cannot comment on it further but i've seen what it is capable of so maybe go for that?
Yes, Avenger CAN do nearly everything, but its sampling capabilies are very limited. It's not advertised as a sampler. And as much as I love this synth, the "real" sounding libraries are, imho, -sorry-, really bad. So you still need Kontakt or such if you're trying to make realistic instruments.

the op stated "not including realistic" so opened the field for non sampling

sampler is seperate to synth imo anyway

(even if some blur the lines)

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:21 pm

vurt wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:19 pm
DJErmac wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:17 pm
Halonmusic wrote: Mon Aug 30, 2021 7:09 pm I suppose Avenger can do (most) of everything? Never tried Avenger so cannot comment on it further but i've seen what it is capable of so maybe go for that?
Yes, Avenger CAN do nearly everything, but its sampling capabilies are very limited. It's not advertised as a sampler. And as much as I love this synth, the "real" sounding libraries are, imho, -sorry-, really bad. So you still need Kontakt or such if you're trying to make realistic instruments.
the op stated "not including realistic" so opened the field for non sampling
sampler is seperate to synth imo anyway

(even if some blur the lines)

True, I was trying to cover the "do it all" question.

can one synth really do it all ?