Why do use Logic?

[EnGee]

I think I will use Logic only and some of the soft instruments I have. I'm not sure if it will be native M1 only because of the audio interface driver, so if I can avoid Rosetta, I would do that!

I run Native and Rosetta together and it's fine. DAW and instruments/fx are Native, and my Korg MIDI connect app is Intel/Rosetta. It doesn't slow the computer at all.

I can install whatsapp app or messenger app for mac and they both install as Intel with no performance issues

Yes I had this installed in my previous M1 mac Air but I want to avoid Rosetta because as far as I know there is no way to uninstall it (at least at the time), but not a biggy if most utilities require it (like Arturia software download and Korg app pass).

[flonky]

All of this, plus backwards compatibility with older versions. I can still flawlessly open and playback sessions from v4, which is about 23 years old.

How do you do that? I‘m using the latest version of Logic and I can only open Logic-Files that where saved after Logic 7…

[pdxindy]

I think I will use Logic only and some of the soft instruments I have. I'm not sure if it will be native M1 only because of the audio interface driver, so if I can avoid Rosetta, I would do that!

I keep my new MBP native only. I don't have Rosetta installed even.

My audio interface is RME and their drivers are M1 native. I trimmed back a lot of plugins to stay M1 native only and ended up happy about that.

Regarding computers, I buy a new computer every 5-7 years regardless of Logic Pro and have never once been unable to use the latest Logic version, nor did I ever have to get a new computer just for Logic.

Logic is by far the best value for the dollar of any DAW. Logic's Alchemy alone is worth the $200 cost of Logic Pro. Over the past few years, Logic development has been impressive. Not at all like an old staid app. Sampler, Quick Sampler and Drum Machine Designer, plus the Step Sequencer are all fresh new development. The Step Sequencer is the best I have used anywhere.

[mikeyfam1]

Anyone using Logic with Sidecar? Wondering if there are any advantages over Logic Remote and a trackpad.

[cryophonik]

The Step Sequencer is the best I have used anywhere.

Totally agree. When I was a Sonar user, the step sequencer was one of the features that really set it apart from other DAWs for my needs. When I switched to Apple/Logic as my main platform, I always wished it had Sonar’s step sequencer, then suddenly out of nowhere, boom, Logic has one that blows away Sonar’s (IMO).

[EnGee]

I think I will use Logic only and some of the soft instruments I have. I'm not sure if it will be native M1 only because of the audio interface driver, so if I can avoid Rosetta, I would do that!

I keep my new MBP native only. I don't have Rosetta installed even.

My audio interface is RME and their drivers are M1 native. I trimmed back a lot of plugins to stay M1 native only and ended up happy about that.

Regarding computers, I buy a new computer every 5-7 years regardless of Logic Pro and have never once been unable to use the latest Logic version, nor did I ever have to get a new computer just for Logic.

Logic is by far the best value for the dollar of any DAW. Logic's Alchemy alone is worth the $200 cost of Logic Pro. Over the past few years, Logic development has been impressive. Not at all like an old staid app. Sampler, Quick Sampler and Drum Machine Designer, plus the Step Sequencer are all fresh new development. The Step Sequencer is the best I have used anywhere.

Yes I remember that you kept away from Rosetta. For me it all depends on my Tascam driver as I can't afford an RME audio interface.

I have a bunch of native M1 supporters. They are more than enough with native Logic plugins and my hardware synths (not counting Arturia and Korg because of their installation manager).

[ON BEATS]

Could somebody please explain why Rosetta is bad?

If at a later stage I use native only, it will just run native only. I don't see the problem if it doesn't hamper performance.

That said I run a very simple setup and run 256 latency which is fast enough for my production. If Rosetta is an issue I'll do a fresh install and connect my keyboard another way

[Ploki]

Rosetta isn't an issue, but running logic itself natively generally performs much much better than via rosetta.

[EnGee]

Yes, there is a choice to run Logic natively. This will show only the M1 native plugins no Rosetta.
Right click in Application and choose get info (this is from memory as I haven't received the m1 mini yet).

[pdxindy]

Could somebody please explain why Rosetta is bad?

Nothing is wrong with Rosetta. It is quite impressive really.

I chose to not use it. It made a good excuse to simplify my set of plugins and to focus on plugins that were updated swiftly to Apple Silicon native. Basically an arbitrary choice on my part.

[ON BEATS]

ahh yeah my plug-ins and DAW run Native

it's only the Korg MIDI connect app for my wireless keyboard that I connect before opening Waveform. Regarding the actual production it's all Native.

i do mix AU and VST though, depending on which runs faster/smoother. my drumkit vst is better as a vst and is less processor intensive, meaning the laptop would drag/slow while opening it as an AU.

i was told this is down to the render and/or how the instrument is created. if it's made in a vst setting then is rendered to AU it apparently won't work as well, and vice versa. it could be myth but i stick with the quickest (i know logic only runs AU and it will definitely work better than Waveform). i just can't be bothered to learn another DAW atm but I'll test the demo when i get a day off

[EnGee]

Is there an AU wrapper for vst plugins? There is a VST3 one but is there AU one? I mean for developers not users.

Anyway, once I read an advice in Ableton website encouraging the use of one kind of plugs, but as far as I know Logic just supports AU plugins, right? Or is supporting VST now?

I think I want to stick with just one kind of plugins (maybe CLAPS also on Reaper or future S1, but I don't see Logic would support it).

[Ploki]

Yes, there is a choice to run Logic natively. This will show only the M1 native plugins no Rosetta.
Right click in Application and choose get info (this is from memory as I haven't received the m1 mini yet).

incorrect, it will still show rosetta plugins and you can still use them. When you run logic in Native ARM, it runs audio plugins in separate process not Logic main thread. So there's simply two corresponding processes, one for ARM and one for x86 via rosetta.

Is there an AU wrapper for vst plugins? There is a VST3 one but is there AU one? I mean for developers not users.

Anyway, once I read an advice in Ableton website encouraging the use of one kind of plugs, but as far as I know Logic just supports AU plugins, right? Or is supporting VST now?

I think I want to stick with just one kind of plugins (maybe CLAPS also on Reaper or future S1, but I don't see Logic would support it).

No, you can only use AU.
There's various plugin hosts that allow you to use VST/VST3 plugins within Logic.

ahh yeah my plug-ins and DAW run Native

it's only the Korg MIDI connect app for my wireless keyboard that I connect before opening Waveform. Regarding the actual production it's all Native.

i do mix AU and VST though, depending on which runs faster/smoother. my drumkit vst is better as a vst and is less processor intensive, meaning the laptop would drag/slow while opening it as an AU.

i was told this is down to the render and/or how the instrument is created. if it's made in a vst setting then is rendered to AU it apparently won't work as well, and vice versa. it could be myth but i stick with the quickest (i know logic only runs AU and it will definitely work better than Waveform). i just can't be bothered to learn another DAW atm but I'll test the demo when i get a day off

That's hearsay
If you open presets from AU in VST for same plugins they will sound exactly the same.
I do wonder where the performance hit AU vs VST comes from. Maybe it's just a poorly coded port (Basically a wrapper, some companies use wrappers for anything else than VST)

if only Korg MIDI app is rosetta then it doesn't matter because it probably doesn't it many resources and it doesn't impact the DAW.

[EnGee]

Yes, there is a choice to run Logic natively. This will show only the M1 native plugins no Rosetta.
Right click in Application and choose get info (this is from memory as I haven't received the m1 mini yet).

incorrect, it will still show rosetta plugins and you can still use them. When you run logic in Native ARM, it runs audio plugins in separate process not Logic main thread. So there's simply two corresponding processes, one for ARM and one for x86 via rosetta.

Oh! So what's the different if you run Logic with Rosseta and only in native mode if the two can show Rosetta plugins and (native?). Is it only related to the engine of Logic?

Is there an AU wrapper for vst plugins? There is a VST3 one but is there AU one? I mean for developers not users.

Anyway, once I read an advice in Ableton website encouraging the use of one kind of plugs, but as far as I know Logic just supports AU plugins, right? Or is supporting VST now?

I think I want to stick with just one kind of plugins (maybe CLAPS also on Reaper or future S1, but I don't see Logic would support it).

No, you can only use AU.
There's various plugin hosts that allow you to use VST/VST3 plugins within Logic.

I meant for developers. Is there a wrapper for VST to make it function as AU plugin?

[Ploki]

Oh! So what's the different if you run Logic with Rosseta and only in native mode if the two can show Rosetta plugins and (native?). Is it only related to the engine of Logic?

If you run logic in rosetta it runs everything in x86, Logic and ALL plugins (even those that are native).
If you run it native it runs everything it can native and rosetta whatever isn't native.

I meant for developers. Is there a wrapper for VST to make it function as AU plugin?

Yes, some developers have wrappers for VST that pose as AUs. Arturia, Waves, Black Rooster, Fuse Audio

Pretty easy to see as well, if there's a .vst in the AU .component, it's definitely wrapped.
some are less easy to tell

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u-he uses CLAP now, so it's CLAP that poses as AU,VST,AAX.