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BONES wrote:
ModuLR wrote:There is enough software that does exactly what you describe, so who gives a bleeeep if there are a few that slightly go against the grain.
I do. Despite the fact that you are able to read whatever you like into what I say, I'd be more than interested in a better way of working. So I ask questions in the hope of getting answers. With your expressed attitude I wonder why you would bother coming here at all.

Reading kagemusha's detailed and interesting description I fail to see why its better to have to add a separate module when you want to save a patch when 80Gb hardrives cost less than a good night out. I can certainly see the attraction but I fail to see the benefit in the long run of such a disconnected workflow.
Well I see lot of people complaining at long load and closing times of projects. From what I understand even if you insert VSTis in your project which are not used that project will save all the default banks of that VSTi. So I think it's not that useless to have controll over what is saved with your project or template.

ModulaR wrote:Personally, I don't use the visual cues of a hardware setup for much of anything. I usually do it all thru automation and listening.
So do I but when I hear something that needs changing its never more than a single mouse-click away and I can find it in a heartbeat. The flexibility described by kagemusha might give greater flexibility but would make it much harder to work with when different tracks have different numbers of inserts and some have EQ whilst others don't, etc.
I find it more strange that you have to go to other places to see or adjust something. it's like walking around the house to enter a back or side door to switch on the light, just because the switch is not in the room itself
I think that hierarchic tracklist gives insight and flexibility in what is going on, and I also think that it can reflect in the organic nature of your music.
I admid it's not evident at start - it's like seeing sheet music if you don't read notes - but if you learn it , it gives you "control"

It's even not a problem that you don't need podium to make music but you are judging it to much without seeing what it can do. Podium can do what every mixer does but within another concept. Also it doesn't give respect to the person who created this application. It takes a lot of effort and work to accomplish it.

It's to easy to just say you don't like it out of the blue.
Podium adds a new value to the evolution of DAWs, just like tracktion and eXT does, althoug they have different objectives.

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kagemusha wrote:I find it more strange that you have to go to other places to see or adjust something.
What!?! So you can see the GUI for every instrument and effect at all times? I didn't notice that in any of the screenshots.
Also it doesn't give respect to the person who created this application.
Respect needs to be earned, its not something that simply exists. That is not to say that Podium doesn't sound interesting. In fact, from your description, it sounds a lot less like the big sequencers than a cursory glance would suggest. But it still doesn't tempt me in any teeny-weeny little way.
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BONES wrote:
kagemusha wrote:I find it more strange that you have to go to other places to see or adjust something.
What!?! So you can see the GUI for every instrument and effect at all times? I didn't notice that in any of the screenshots.
Also it doesn't give respect to the person who created this application.
Respect needs to be earned, its not something that simply exists. That is not to say that Podium doesn't sound interesting. In fact, from your description, it sounds a lot less like the big sequencers than a cursory glance would suggest. But it still doesn't tempt me in any teeny-weeny little way.
Fair point bones you can't see every plugin GUI on the one screen of course.

Podium certainly does squeeze a lot into one screen though. As others have said, after some adjustment to the hierarchical paradigm, its easier to get an overall impression of what is gropued where, what runs through which FX etc.

I really can't be arsed to argue about what is better than what else, because its all bullshit. Matter of personal opinion, nothing more.

Just nice to see that some developers are at least trying to push the boundaries of GUI design a bit. Anything that has the potential to move things forward has got to be a good thing. Nothing ever stnads still for long in software, why should interface design be any different.

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BONES wrote: ... But it still doesn't tempt me in any teeny-weeny little way.
Not even after all my efforts to show the podiumlight :(






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I should be recieving mine today!!!!! Finally! Oh, I am very very happy about this!

Personally, I have not found an easier way to just make music finally, than Podium. For me it just flows. It makes so much sense to me, and it is hard to put into words what it feels like to have a sequencer/host/softstudio seem to work WITH me. And I won't try to describe why, because it is just the whole thing, the way it all works, the way when you think 'oh, I would like to adjust _______' and it is right where it should be logically, just waiting to be adjusted!

The long and short of it is that this is a personal thing for people; just like there are different learning styles; that same thing applies here, I think. There are lots of people who like Project 5, and who feel that it is a very well laid out and intuitive program. I don't think that they are wrong, not at all. But for me, it was like pulling teeth trying to get something flowing with it.
It's all just how a persons mind works.

I am just so happy that I gave Podium a chance. At first glance it excited me, but for the first half hour of trying it out it was difficult to get used to. But I have never experienced such a FAST learning curve - if that's the right term. And once I grasped it, it was like, 'wow, i wish i had found this sooner'.
I encourage people who haven't to try it out, and just give it some time. We expect things to be so easy and fast nowdays, we have no patience at all anymore, and that's a real shame because people end up passing by some of the best stuff.
I am not saying it is for everyone, maybe you will not like it, or not see what all the fuss is about, and that's totally fine, but just give it some time so you can learn something new. Good things sometimes take effort and patience.

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perhaps Frits should allow a group-buy; like I noticed with the Wusik group-buy. For every 40 buyers 10% of >> if you have 200 buyers it's half prize.
45$ for Podium if 200 people participate. Perhaps people will take the podium step much faster.

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Perhaps - though I'm not so sure.

Impulse buying a host sequencer/host because of a group buy price is possibly a little different from doing so with a VSTi.

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hmm, perhaps, I'm not a commercial genius :(
But I have the impression a lot of people are on the fence or have podium in their focus.
You can't do better for 90$. Except for Tracktion there is nothing comparable for that price ... I think. eXT is cheap but it's not really suited for typical DAW stuff.

Kage

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kagemusha wrote:hmm, perhaps, I'm not a commercial genius :(
But I have the impression a lot of people are on the fence or have podium in their focus.
You can't do better for 90$. Except for Tracktion there is nothing comparable for that price ... I think. eXT is cheap but it's not really suited for typical DAW stuff.

Kage
I think some would disagree regarding EnergyXT. Like podium, it may take a while to get your head around the concept, but once you are rolling the possibilities become very clear. And they are impressive.

I got tracktion to play with now, but i'll still keep an eye on podium :)

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quincy wrote:I really can't be arsed to argue about what is better than what else, because its all bullshit. Matter of personal opinion, nothing more.
I'm not interested in arguing either, I'm just trying to extract information from people who will have better insight than me. Around here that can be like pulling teeth at times.
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completely OT:

quincy have you used any multi input/ouput versions of EXT in the rack filters yet? it's so cool it ought to be illegal :)

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i have eXT and Tracktion and they're both good at what they do. but for me, podium is absolutely brilliant and i was up and running with it after watching the videos on the zynewave site. i wouldn't call myself the most cluey person at times, so i find it weird that alot of people have trouble with podium :? different strokes for different folks ;)

edit: I use Podium over Tracktion now because Tracktion doesn't have ghost midi clips and has a fair bit better midi editing IMO

I use Podium over eXT because it feels like a complete host to me. I still plan to use eXT in Podium for crazy modular effect/instrument routing - but for me I've always found eXT just not quite complete or user-friendly enough for me to sequence in it, for some reason... in it's current state anyway
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glurgle wrote:completely OT:

quincy have you used any multi input/ouput versions of EXT in the rack filters yet? it's so cool it ought to be illegal :)
Unfortunately not, only had a very quick play, but the audio editing was so easy i was sold straight away. Especially when it cost me nothing :hihi:

I will have to mess with XT within tracktion, certainly some interesting ideas to try. Got to get up to scratch on the basics of tracktion first, at least i'm ok with XT so thats sorted :D

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scam_artist wrote:i have eXT and Tracktion and they're both good at what they do. but for me, podium is absolutely brilliant and i was up and running with it after watching the videos on the zynewave site. i wouldn't call myself the most cluey person at times, so i find it weird that alot of people have trouble with podium :? different strokes for different folks ;)
Exactly mate, each to their own. And that applies to hosts too folks, don't expect everything from every host. Mix and match if need be!

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quincy wrote:
kagemusha wrote:hmm, perhaps, I'm not a commercial genius :(
But I have the impression a lot of people are on the fence or have podium in their focus.
You can't do better for 90$. Except for Tracktion there is nothing comparable for that price ... I think. eXT is cheap but it's not really suited for typical DAW stuff.

Kage
I think some would disagree regarding EnergyXT. Like podium, it may take a while to get your head around the concept, but once you are rolling the possibilities become very clear. And they are impressive.

I got tracktion to play with now, but i'll still keep an eye on podium :)
I'm using it every day. But I see it more as an instrument (how I use it). For multitrack recording and editing it afterwards I lean to Podium (or Cubase).
But since the latest beta's it is possible to record multitrack in eXT.
The problem for multitrack editing is that I need/wish an internal soundeditor.

But nothing than good words for eXT from me

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