Missing a synth to complete my set.

[cryophonik]

I have the Subsequent 37, Pro-3, and a PolyBrute. I’ve never owned a MatrixBrute, but the ladder filter is the same as the PolyBrute AFAIK. I can do filter sweeps across a sawtooth wave on these three synths all day long and probably never notice a substantial difference, but that’s not very informative in this case. The Subsequent 37 is a much different sounding synth than the Pro-3 and PolyBrute and that comes down to factors beyond the filter. The sound and gain staging of the oscillators and mixer, the way they drive into the filter, differences in the envelopes, etc. all contribute to the sound. Out of the three, the Subsequent 37 is my least favorite and it’s the least capable, but it has a unique sound that the others don’t have.

So, the answer is pretty simple…

…if you want that Moog sound, buy a Moog Studio Electronics, or just settle for an actual Moog. But, seriously, if you are considering a MatrixBrute or Pro-3, do your homework and watch a ton of videos to understand what they are and what they do. They are both far more synth for the money, but they are not Moogs.

[Trancer]

Thank you for your answers.

No problems, no worries.

I listened to a lot of videos and read tests, reviews and reviews of the three machines, I removed the Pro 3.

I like the MatrixBrute quite well, it's clear it's not a Moog.

The Subsequent 37 is a hell of a machine and it delivers as they say, but the MatrixBrute has room despite everything and more possibilities as well.

The choice will be between the two for sure.

[Constructed Identity]

Thank you for your answers.

No problems, no worries.

I listened to a lot of videos and read tests, reviews and reviews of the three machines, I removed the Pro 3.

I like the MatrixBrute quite well, it's clear it's not a Moog.

The Subsequent 37 is a hell of a machine and it delivers as they say, but the MatrixBrute has room despite everything and more possibilities as well.

The choice will be between the two for sure.

A few days ago I had a chance to play with a Matrixbrute and I was really impressed by the design and handing of buttons/knobs. I loved that the matrix is used both for routing and patches.
It has quite a bit of a different sound than a Moog Subsequent 37. I would get one if I wanted another monosynth, but it is quite big for a monosynth so keep that in mind.

[Uncle E]

Given all that's going on with Moog, you might want to get one while you still can. There'll certainly be inventory shortages for a while.

[Trancer]

Thank you for your answers.

Exactly already an excessive increase in price (at some point we have to stop using the excuse of the crisis and others).

But hey, ready to take the next step.

Now, given the news inmusic / moog, beyond the price, total uncertainties about the future of Moog, after-sales service, seriousness to come, it will become made in China, therefore Moog made in China....not great and for Nothing.

So, buying a brand which is in decline and which will lose its splendor, really needs to be considered.

the price must be commensurate with excellence, if not, uninteresting.

[Uncle E]

US-made Moog's have quality control issues. Making them in China may actually improve things. In any case, you would never want to service a modern Moog, at least not the ones I've seen. All SMC. This is one area where Sequential can objectively be considered the better choice.

[Trancer]

Thanks for your feedback.

So, buying a Moog currently made in the USA is irrelevant if the quality control is not valid?

Given the increase in price (2000 euros for the Subsequent 37, 500 euros more), the least we can do is build and sell machines of excellence.

Do you really think that made in China will be better?

I hope you're right, but I really doubt it.

If made in China, InMusic will be able to lower its prices and return to a consistent situation and above all at its fair price.

No more the made in USA excuse to overinflate prices.

[Uncle E]

So, buying a Moog currently made in the USA is irrelevant if the quality control is not valid?

Pretty much yes. The main issue is you won't be able to get ANY Moog's for a while, once the US models have sold out. Nobody knows how long it will take InMusic to get the China production up and running but it definitely won't be fast.

[Trancer]

We really need to ask ourselves the question of buying a Moog now.

A quality control service which is practically non-existent (for prestige equipment and at this price, not at all acceptable) and that was when Moog was doing "well" and made in the USA!!!!

Now we are moving towards made in China, so it will most certainly not be better, maybe even worse.

So buying a Moog at a high price, with non-existent quality control and an uncertain future of having competent and above all functional after-sales service, unfortunately it makes good sense to no longer buy Moog.

Before your machine is taken care of, repaired, returned, not ready to receive it.

By the time everything falls into place in China, we're not ready to be ready.

I really find this situation sad and serious for the staff at Moog, a page is really turning.

But buying machines at a high price and having a permanent fear and hoping not to have a problem, for my part, buying Moog is NO.

[zerocrossing]

We really need to ask ourselves the question of buying a Moog now.

A quality control service which is practically non-existent (for prestige equipment and at this price, not at all acceptable) and that was when Moog was doing "well" and made in the USA!!!!

Now we are moving towards made in China, so it will most certainly not be better, maybe even worse.

So buying a Moog at a high price, with non-existent quality control and an uncertain future of having competent and above all functional after-sales service, unfortunately it makes good sense to no longer buy Moog.

Before your machine is taken care of, repaired, returned, not ready to receive it.

By the time everything falls into place in China, we're not ready to be ready.

I really find this situation sad and serious for the staff at Moog, a page is really turning.

But buying machines at a high price and having a permanent fear and hoping not to have a problem, for my part, buying Moog is NO.

That’s a bit overblown, IMO. First off, I know a fair amount of people who seem to love their Moogs. I’ve owned a handful of them over the years and I never had a single issue with them, other than the fact that I preferred my ATX-X to all of them so I never kept one long. Every manufacturer can have quality issues, regardless as to where it’s made.

Also, I have no idea why there’s some idea that made in China means worse. It comes down to how much QC is put in place and how well it’s implemented. All the biggest electronics manufacturers in the world make their stuff in China. There’s a near zero chance that your post was made on something made entirely in China.

[Trancer]

I'm not saying Moog machines are bad.

Just that given the price that we are trying to justify by made in the USA and that the quality control is a hundred anecdotal and the American reputation far from being at the top, serious doubts about a better quality of control there .

I'm not saying that everything is bad in China, far from it.

It depends on the specifications and given the current industry's way of doing things, there is great doubt about the specifications which will be at the top.

Since profit is the only thing that seems to be the priority.

There's just the name Moog left, but at this rate, it won't mean anything anymore.

My message is written on priority and sad reality, money above all else.

Why do industries go to China in your opinion?

Maximum profitability, maximum profit and a price that is just as high, for a workforce paid a pittance compared to the profits made.

I can't invent enough documentaries on the subject.

[egbert101]

What a time to be alive. Moog Minimoog reissues, Prophet 5 reissues, Oberheim OB-8 reissues.

[Trancer]

Yes reissues and?

You have seen the prices simply inaccessible for a large majority of people.

Elitism is not really my vision of music.

Above all, are these machines worth their exorbitant price, I really doubt it.

Price/performance/possibility ratio I doubt it even more.

So who among us can afford this type of machine, really very little.

Beyond that, it's just riding the revival fashion and filling your pockets with it.

It's just playing on emotion and memory and for some others just showing off.

This type of machine is more of a niche market (wealthy people, collectors and professional studios, even speculators).

But where I agree is on the chance of a certain variety, choice of a large number of machines.

We are lucky as musicians and enthusiasts

[cryophonik]

This is one area where Sequential Studio Electronics can objectively be considered the better choice.

FTFY.

[zerocrossing]

I'm not saying Moog machines are bad.

Just that given the price that we are trying to justify by made in the USA and that the quality control is a hundred anecdotal and the American reputation far from being at the top, serious doubts about a better quality of control there .

I'm not saying that everything is bad in China, far from it.

It depends on the specifications and given the current industry's way of doing things, there is great doubt about the specifications which will be at the top.

Since profit is the only thing that seems to be the priority.

There's just the name Moog left, but at this rate, it won't mean anything anymore.

My message is written on priority and sad reality, money above all else.

Why do industries go to China in your opinion?

Maximum profitability, maximum profit and a price that is just as high, for a workforce paid a pittance compared to the profits made.

I can't invent enough documentaries on the subject.

I’m not happy about what’s happened to American manufacturing, and I agree that Trump’s tariffs were stupid and should have been lifted by Biden. That said, at least Biden has enacted efforts to bring back chip manufacturing to the United States. That doesn’t happen overnight. I’m sure the whole thing is a complex and delicate mess.

But I’m also sure the tariffs had less to do with the decision to sell than the supply chain issues that China is plagued by. They must have put Moog in a bad place, like a lot of companies. China has big problems of their own, though they still have the infrastructure in place and it will take us a while to build our own. I seriously wonder how much assembly happened in Asheville.

I’m no trade expert, but I think we gave China and other countries a very unfair advantage. I used to joke, “America didn’t ban slavery, we just outsourced it.” If anyone is unaware what’s happening in China with the Uyghurs, they know what I’m talking about. How does one prosecute a country that they rely on for almost everything?

Moog is also directly competing with Behringer, and even though they tend to be a higher end brand, it’s got to hurt a bit. The truth is, Moog’s done very little grow and innovative since they reformed. Sequential was a lot smarter, offering a much wider range of products that looked back as well as forward.

Bob Moog is famous for saying that he didn’t know what a spreadsheet was. I’m sure it got better over the years and people who had business experience were put in place, but often small businesses struggle anyway because they don’t have the resources and leverage that bigger companies have. I wouldn’t write Moog off just yet.