Ozone vs Fabfilter for mastering

[martiu]

fapfiller better, buy now

what made you think I was talking about fabfilter? interesting

that was for the OP, not you

[EfreetiSultan]

fapfiller better, buy now

what made you think I was talking about fabfilter? interesting

that was for the OP, not you

okay, my apologies

[EfreetiSultan]

and obvious that you dont know how to use them effectively. I use both regularly and so do others.

ive been mastering with Pro-L for almost a decade. Its not obvious at all. You may THINK its obvious but its not. My main limiter does nothing more than 3-4db of gain reduction and the final TP limiter does about 0.5db of GR.
Again, this is projection, you have no idea what I know and dont know. Yet you claim it is "obvious". And no, I dont deserve to be laughed at.

Why do you say "limiters/clippers" as if they are the same thing? Fabfilter doesnt even have a clipper i think? Anyway, I do use a clipper on every master, right before the 1st limiter. And its the StandardClip.

Oh well. I guess I cant win here. Its like people already have their picture of me solidified, yet its completely wrong....

Anyone here can send me a mix, and Ill send back a master. To prove that I know what Im doing. Instead of calling me names and laughing at me, I can prove it. Offer open for 1 day.

[The Main Event]

Because what you said in your first post is straight up wrong (and rude), especially as an advice for novice that wants to know wether to buy ozone or ff.

[EfreetiSultan]

Because what you said in your first post is straight up wrong (and rude), especially as an advice for novice that wants to know wether to buy ozone or ff.

Well its not wrong if its an opinion, is it. To me one sounds much better than the other. And to me its crazy that other people also dont hear that difference. Thats not wrong, thats an opinion.

[The Main Event]

No, claiming something that is not true is NOT an opinion. We could set up a blind test between these two, if you like. Im sure you get them all right, dont you?

And btw you didnt even mention in your first post which sounds much better than the other, which makes your judging comment not only silly, but unecessary and unhelpful as well.

[EfreetiSultan]

No, claiming something that is not true is NOT an opinion. We could set up a blind test between these two, if you like. Im sure you get them all right, dont you?

And btw you didnt even mention in your first post which sounds much better than the other, which makes your judging comment not only silly, but unecessary and unhelpful as well.

What do you mean its not true? Are you God? Im not even saying its true or false, its an OPINION. I think one sounds better than the other. How can you say that is wrong?!?

Right, I didnt mention it on purpose. I was hoping for a different kind of response. I guess I failed on that part didnt I. And if you think it was unhelpful or whatever then thats fine also, no need for the namecalling and the laughing part - THAT is unecessary if anything.

[The Main Event]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

[EfreetiSultan]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

you literally just did... you said "claiming something thats not true"
I didnt claim anything not true. I stated an opinion. How is it so hard to grasp. Facepalm yourself.

.. so tired of this arguing, im really flabbergasted by the animosity towards me for a simple opinion, its really kind of strange. have a good weekend. peace.

[Jac459]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

you literally just did... you said "claiming something thats not true"
I didnt claim anything not true. I stated an opinion. How is it so hard to grasp. Facepalm yourself.

.. so tired of this arguing, im really flabbergasted by the animosity towards me for a simple opinion, its really kind of strange. have a good weekend. peace.

Mmm, I think that the consensus is that the problem is not your opinion but the way you expressed your opinion. Isn't it clear ?

And using an excuse to afterward say "it is just an opinion" is not very honest. You didn't express it as an opinion, you expressed it as a primary truth that anybody should agree on.

Just own it. Everybody has bad days...

[EfreetiSultan]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

you literally just did... you said "claiming something thats not true"
I didnt claim anything not true. I stated an opinion. How is it so hard to grasp. Facepalm yourself.

.. so tired of this arguing, im really flabbergasted by the animosity towards me for a simple opinion, its really kind of strange. have a good weekend. peace.

Mmm, I think that the consensus is that the problem is not your opinion but the way you expressed your opinion. Isn't it clear ?

And using an excuse to afterward say "it is just an opinion" is not very honest. You didn't express it as an opinion, you expressed it as a primary truth that anybody should agree on.

Just own it. Everybody has bad days...

Ive already said that maybe I didnt express myself properly. I dont have to say it again. But what I did say was in fact an opinion, it was not a fact.
I can absolutely own it, and do - but since the argument is still going on, what should I do? I have to keep saying it was an opinion, since it is impossible for it to be anything else.
I think its best I simply dont respond anymore. No matter what I say, it seems it is frowned upon.
I wont however, just concede. I didnt have a bad day, I stand by what I said. And I do own it. The problem lies elsewhere (the communication of said opinion) and I dont understand what was so bad about it.. I honestly do not understand why this is still even going on. Move past it.

edit: its not like i said " i love hitler ". Then, I would understand. I simply said i think one sound better than the other, and that caused the shit to hit the fan? Nah.. I dont get it. And probably never will.

[Jac459]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

you literally just did... you said "claiming something thats not true"
I didnt claim anything not true. I stated an opinion. How is it so hard to grasp. Facepalm yourself.

.. so tired of this arguing, im really flabbergasted by the animosity towards me for a simple opinion, its really kind of strange. have a good weekend. peace.

Mmm, I think that the consensus is that the problem is not your opinion but the way you expressed your opinion. Isn't it clear ?

And using an excuse to afterward say "it is just an opinion" is not very honest. You didn't express it as an opinion, you expressed it as a primary truth that anybody should agree on.

Just own it. Everybody has bad days...

Ive already said that maybe I didnt express myself properly. I dont have to say it again. But what I did say was in fact an opinion, it was not a fact.
I can absolutely own it, and do - but since the argument is still going on, what should I do? I have to keep saying it was an opinion, since it is impossible for it to be anything else.
I think its best I simply dont respond anymore. No matter what I say, it seems it is frowned upon.
I wont however, just concede. I didnt have a bad day, I stand by what I said. And I do own it. The problem lies elsewhere (the communication of said opinion) and I dont understand what was so bad about it.. I honestly do not understand why this is still even going on. Move past it.

edit: its not like i said " i love hitler ". Then, I would understand. I simply said i think one sound better than the other, and that caused the shit to hit the fan? Nah.. I dont get it. And probably never will.

Indeed let's move on. But again (because you are going about hitler, IT IS NOT YOUR OPINION but the way you expressed it). I don't say how to say it in a way you understand or accept..

And by the way, you didn't say "I think one sound better than the other", you said "One sound better than the other, if you don't hear it, you have an issue".

Stop being slimy.

[The Main Event]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

you literally just did... you said "claiming something thats not true"
I didnt claim anything not true. I stated an opinion. How is it so hard to grasp. Facepalm yourself.

.. so tired of this arguing, im really flabbergasted by the animosity towards me for a simple opinion, its really kind of strange. have a good weekend. peace.

No, i was referring to your FIRST post, but i said that already. You dont seem to understand that. And what you stated there is wrong and rude and NOT an opinion.

But i rather let actions speak for themself instead of arguing with someone thats not willing to see his mistake.

Here is a link to 20 different masters i quickly exported. Its a random unmastered song from "soundonsound" from their soundcloud page. I put either Pro-L2 or Ozone 11 maximixer on it with different parameters, very roughly about the same volume or amount of gain reduction (not too much, just like what you would use for most masterings)
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fo/z94ljqql ... hovre&dl=0

I'm very curious to your guesses which one is which. Good luck!

[legendCNCD]

If you use a limiter in mastering to such an extent and a lot of Gain reduction so that pro l2 or ozone sounds like plastic, then you should overthink the way you are mastering and also learn to use them in-depth, cause there is A LOT to it that you might not know (look it up on youtube "Panorama mixing and mastering").

Well I was actually driving them really hard to hear the differences and for me Ozone (9 upwards) came up top in most of the situations I go through. And as I mentioned, in our situations the little we need limiting ozone did the best.
Panorama is great! Awesome stuff.

[The Main Event]

I didnt say that its wrong that you prefere one over the other.... *facepalm*

you literally just did... you said "claiming something thats not true"
I didnt claim anything not true. I stated an opinion. How is it so hard to grasp. Facepalm yourself.

.. so tired of this arguing, im really flabbergasted by the animosity towards me for a simple opinion, its really kind of strange. have a good weekend. peace.

Mmm, I think that the consensus is that the problem is not your opinion but the way you expressed your opinion. Isn't it clear ?

And using an excuse to afterward say "it is just an opinion" is not very honest. You didn't express it as an opinion, you expressed it as a primary truth that anybody should agree on.

Just own it. Everybody has bad days...

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I can absolutely own it, and do - but since the argument is still going on, what should I do?
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Whats up? Are you shy telling us your blind test results? It would be "alarming to say the least" if you couldnt stand to your word.

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Its funny that you can silence ALL the so-called experts that can hear all the differences between certain products (may it be plugins, electric guitar "tonewood", amp simulation software or whatnot) with a simple blindtest. Suddenly they disappear. Always the same. This was a prime example.