Logic Pro 11.2(.2)

[audiouser720]

It’s NAMM time. Namm yamyam. Does Apple usually release new Logic around NAMM? I don’t remember.

I want resizable mixer window - faders like in S1 and Ableton
New delay plugin following the success of Quantec they should partner up with someone imagine a stock AMS DMX yeehaw
Effect racks like in Ableton and Bitwig

That’s all for now thanks bye

[cryophonik]

I just want ARA to work as intended.

[audiouser720]

What about PDC and automation to work as intended ha. After 20 years they might nail it come on Apple I know you can do it

[syntonica]

I have to wonder. When Apple moved to x86, did they go back to the original Windows code, or did they translate it from PPC? The Logic engine has had issues for years, since Apple took over. I saw it with the latest version of 6 and on into 7, where I finally gave up using it.

I wish they would rebuild the engine from the ground up.

[medienhexer]

I have to wonder. When Apple moved to x86, did they go back to the original Windows code, or did they translate it from PPC? The Logic engine has had issues for years, since Apple took over. I saw it with the latest version of 6 and on into 7, where I finally gave up using it.

I wish they would rebuild the engine from the ground up.

There have been multiple very substantial updates to what I assume you mean by engine. Summing works in 32 and 64 bit depth. As far as I remember, that used to be 24 bits.

I have seen plugins with 64 bit and more internal precision supported. Tracks support 192khz/32 bit audio.

The scheduler became multithreading-capable. First up to two cores, then 4 and the latest, I think, supports up to 256?

Audio Units went from v1 to v2 and 3. The output format went from Stereo to 5.1 to atmos with 7.1.4, including a number of native effects and instruments.

Automation resolution went from MTC to sample-accurate.

Logic supports dynamic sample buffers, so that real-time tracks can be recorded with low latency, while the rest is processed with a larger buffer. Tracks can be frozen to preserve CPU. Tracks which don‘t process audio are suspended dynamically.

And yes, they went from PPC to intel, to ARM. And you can run Logic in Rosetta 2 for compatibility with plugins which haven‘t been converted to ARM. And for the most part, it works.

None of these would be possible without major work. And if you look at the extended release notes, they keep on fixing issues which have been around for years.

Now, I know there seems to be an oldie still around where the GUI isn‘t in sync with automation. And I still have issues with Avenger on MacOS, which isn‘t specific to Logic. But apart from that, the team has done an incredible job in the past ten years, not to mention since Logic 7. A complete rewrite, although that always SOUNDS like a great idea, is often not the solution. It‘s not like any Pentium 4 optimisation is still being used on an ARM processor

[syntonica]

There have been multiple very substantial updates to what I assume you mean by engine. Summing works in 32 and 64 bit depth. As far as I remember, that used to be 24 bits.

Pretty much everything you list has nothing to do with the audio engine except for extending the register widths. Plugin formats are themselves plugins, etc., etc.

Frankly, Logic is long in the tooth and needs a good overhaul to be ready for the next 20 years.

[medienhexer]

There have been multiple very substantial updates to what I assume you mean by engine. Summing works in 32 and 64 bit depth. As far as I remember, that used to be 24 bits.

Pretty much everything you list has nothing to do with the audio engine except for extending the register widths. Plugin formats are themselves plugins, etc., etc.

Frankly, Logic is long in the tooth and needs a good overhaul to be ready for the next 20 years.

And you know that how? You haven‘t even used it since Windows 98…

[syntonica]

There have been multiple very substantial updates to what I assume you mean by engine. Summing works in 32 and 64 bit depth. As far as I remember, that used to be 24 bits.

Pretty much everything you list has nothing to do with the audio engine except for extending the register widths. Plugin formats are themselves plugins, etc., etc.

Frankly, Logic is long in the tooth and needs a good overhaul to be ready for the next 20 years.

And you know that how? You haven‘t even used it since Windows 98…

I'm not sure where the Windows 98 came from. I'm not sure whom you're trying to insult.

I gave up on Logic 7 under macOS 10.4/10.5 (~2007/2008), which used AltiVec, the PPC equivalent of SSE on Intel. The code was already vectorized, so little needed to be done except change the SIMD instruction set and pack everything into the larger registers. While not trivial, it's simple enough and doesn't require changing any of the architecture. Same thing for transitioning from x64->ARM.

I'm now the proud owner of Logic 11, née 10, which is still as janky as ever... I got it to open up old projects.

[medienhexer]

There have been multiple very substantial updates to what I assume you mean by engine. Summing works in 32 and 64 bit depth. As far as I remember, that used to be 24 bits.

Pretty much everything you list has nothing to do with the audio engine except for extending the register widths. Plugin formats are themselves plugins, etc., etc.

Frankly, Logic is long in the tooth and needs a good overhaul to be ready for the next 20 years.

And you know that how? You haven‘t even used it since Windows 98…

I gave up on Logic 7 under macOS 10.4/10.5 (~2007/2008), which used AltiVec, the PPC equivalent of SSE on Intel. The code was already vectorized, so little needed to be done except change the SIMD instruction set and pack everything into the larger registers. While not trivial, it's simple enough and doesn't require changing any of the architecture. Same thing for transitioning from x64->ARM.

Sure. MMX / SSE could just pick up ALTIVec code. RISC/CISC is work for school kids and doesn‘t need any substantial changes. Big endian/little endian has never ever cost a single developer sleepless nights. And best of all: multithreaded processing will just work. Not to mention: the operating system also went from 32 to 64 bits. That surely didn‘t need any substantial changes. We also lost carbon and moved to Cocoa. Meanwhile, software was sandboxed and the audio driver model moved from kext to the new driver model in user space. But sure, audio will just flow, no big problem.

Btw, registers are a hardware thing, not something you can „extend“ in software.

I disagree with your definition of audio engine, I only asked what you think it means because I wanted to understand your claims.

[syntonica]

I've avoided replying to this as it's just more absurdity.

Sure. MMX / SSE could just pick up ALTIVec code. RISC/CISC is work for school kids and doesn‘t need any substantial changes.

---You're right. It doesn't. School kids are smart enough to know you just flip that little target switch right there on their compiler from x86 to ARM. They let the compiler handle the rest because they know compilers do a better job of it that hand-assemblers.

Big endian/little endian has never ever cost a single developer sleepless nights.

----It's not the horror you think it is. PPCs originally had the ability to switch endianness at will. QuickTime has always used little-endian formats.

And best of all: multithreaded processing will just work.

----This was handled by Emagic in version 6 prior to Apple.

Not to mention: the operating system also went from 32 to 64 bits.

---irrelevant. Another compiler switch.

That surely didn‘t need any substantial changes. We also lost carbon and moved to Cocoa.

----which has nothing to do with the engine

Meanwhile, software was sandboxed and the audio driver model moved from kext to the new driver model in user space. But sure, audio will just flow, no big problem.

-----still irrelevant

Btw, registers are a hardware thing, not something you can „extend“ in software.

-----You extend your variable sizes into the registers.

I disagree with your definition of audio engine, I only asked what you think it means because I wanted to understand your claims.

-----The audio engine sits at the core, directing traffic, running the clock and making sure everything happens at the appointed time. It's been dodgy since Apple took over.

Unless you have an actual argument to prove me wrong, which it's obvious you don't, please just stop.

[syntonica]

A quick thought and amendment: thinking about the loss of Carbon, it had a pretty rock-solid timer in it. The one in Cocoa is adequate, but not sufficient for audio. The message passing is way too show. I'm not sure what Apple did when they finally killed Carbon for their timing.

[medienhexer]

I've avoided replying to this as it's just more absurdity.

Sure. MMX / SSE could just pick up ALTIVec code. RISC/CISC is work for school kids and doesn‘t need any substantial changes.

---You're right. It doesn't. School kids are smart enough to know you just flip that little target switch right there on their compiler from x86 to ARM. They let the compiler handle the rest because they know compilers do a better job of it that hand-assemblers.

Big endian/little endian has never ever cost a single developer sleepless nights.

----It's not the horror you think it is. PPCs originally had the ability to switch endianness at will. QuickTime has always used little-endian formats.

And best of all: multithreaded processing will just work.

----This was handled by Emagic in version 6 prior to Apple.

Not to mention: the operating system also went from 32 to 64 bits.

---irrelevant. Another compiler switch.

That surely didn‘t need any substantial changes. We also lost carbon and moved to Cocoa.

----which has nothing to do with the engine

Meanwhile, software was sandboxed and the audio driver model moved from kext to the new driver model in user space. But sure, audio will just flow, no big problem.

-----still irrelevant

Btw, registers are a hardware thing, not something you can „extend“ in software.

-----You extend your variable sizes into the registers.

I disagree with your definition of audio engine, I only asked what you think it means because I wanted to understand your claims.

-----The audio engine sits at the core, directing traffic, running the clock and making sure everything happens at the appointed time. It's been dodgy since Apple took over.

Unless you have an actual argument to prove me wrong, which it's obvious you don't, please just stop.

Yeah. Complete waste of time. Since you‘re such an expert…

To answer your previous question: no, they didn‘t copy&paste the Windows x86 code to the MacOS version. Good idea, though. Just take the Windows code and click the correct build target. If only everyone else in the industry had thought about that. Maybe let the Digital Performer team know. Or Urs from u-he. They have been pretty transparent about some of the issues. But it all could have been SO EASY. Next time, I‘ll make sure to buy YOUR software. Everyone else worked months and years on the 32/64 bit transition alone. You seem to have it all figured out.

[syntonica]

To answer your previous question: no, they didn‘t copy&paste the Windows x86 code to the MacOS version.

What? I never said that, you never read that. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing...

Thanks for playing. As a partying guest, you've won a year's supply of Rice-aRoni, the San Francisco treat.

[J Veronica]

What are the best YouTube channels for learning Logic?

Looking for straight to the point stuff (like Kenny Gioa does for Reaper), not the legions of influencers with clickbait thumbnails, lol.

Appreciate your help

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

What are the best YouTube channels for learning Logic?

Looking for straight to the point stuff (like Kenny Gioa does for Reaper), not the legions of influencers with clickbait thumbnails, lol.

Appreciate your help

MusicTechHelpGuy.

I'd recommend looking to older playlists, also, as there're many tutorials that offer a good foundation for the Logic 11 videos:



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And this is a bit outside the box, especially as it's for an older version (10.6), though much of what's covered still applies. If you want to follow someone breaking down the entire manual, it's worth a shot. I can sort out a link to the older manual, I believe:

TheModernCreative