Dune 3 Genetics - why is nobody talking about it? (including Synapse Audio!)

[seafire]

Sounds a bit more complex than something a monkey could do,, yet it took you several hours to make a dozen why?

You have said repeatedly that all Synths are simple and the same so why did it take you hours to make a dozen patches? You are directly conflicting yourself

Not really, he didn't say a monkey could do it quickly, just that it could do it.

[BONES]

Sounds a bit more complex than something a monkey could do,, yet it took you several hours to make a dozen why?

Is it just your comprehension that's poor or do you have the memory of a goldfish? As I explained to you, twice already, it's a simple but time-consuming process, sort of like painting a house - not a great deal of skill involved but it takes time, time that could be better spent doing other things.

[IvyBirds]

Sounds a bit more complex than something a monkey could do,, yet it took you several hours to make a dozen why?

Is it just your comprehension that's poor or do you have the memory of a goldfish? As I explained to you, twice already, it's a simple but time-consuming process, sort of like painting a house - not a great deal of skill involved but it takes time, time that could be better spent doing other things.

You said

You admit Genetics are useless when even a "monkey could patch the synth"?

When I was making patches for my SynthEdit synths, I'd make a dozen or so and then use Genetics, with a bit of tweaking here and there, to fill out the bank. The first dozen might take a couple of hours,

So 10 minutes per synth to make things that are simple and take no skill?

And a house painter can do a far better faster job at painting a house than you or me. That's called skills

[BONES]

No, that's called experience. If you've ever paid a painter to paint your house, you'll see they are far less fastidious and you'd be if you did it yourself. Hell, I helped my parents paint the interior of my grandmother's house when I was 7 years old and they didn't have to re-do anything I'd done. Dad masked up the doorframes and left me to it. Are you so full of yourself that you don't think a 7 year old couldn't make a decent synth patch if you let them try?

[DrGonzo]

you don't think a 7 year old couldn't make a decent synth patch if you let them try?

[swilow11]

There is also the new hybridize feature in Serum2 that is similar to this.

Just FYI, this function was also available in Serum 1. Ime 80% is unusable (and maybe 40% of fhay were often almost silent) but it would occasionally get you started down the path to somewhere interesting.

Actually keen to see how this goes when hybridising say multisampled piano with some wavetable grittiness.

[HOTF]

There is also the new hybridize feature in Serum2 that is similar to this.

Just FYI, this function was also available in Serum 1. Ime 80% is unusable (and maybe 40% of fhay were often almost silent) but it would occasionally get you started down the path to somewhere interesting.

Actually keen to see how this goes when hybridising say multisampled piano with some wavetable grittiness.

In my few minutes of testing you need to narrow down to a select folder before hybridizing for this feature to make any sense. if you just hybridize with the whole preset manager opened it can select any presets... probably want to narrow it down to a few that a re in the same ball park.

[BONES]

you don't think a 7 year old couldn't make a decent synth patch if you let them try?

I'll tell you how hard it is. Yesterday I discovered Waves' Flow Motion, which is a really different looking 4 op FM synth. This morning I installed the demo to see what it's like and in less than half-an-hour I had sculpted a great patch for the song I was working on, from one of the presets I tried. So I went and bought a license, then spent a bit more time refining it, but it only took me a few minutes to make something better than the Spire patch I'd had in there for the last couple of weeks. It's not like I just tweaked a couple of things here and there, either. I can't even tell any more which patch I started with, it's completely different now.

The main thing is that in simply doing that, spending less than an hour working with a synth I'd never seen before on a project, I've worked it out. I can use most of it's functionality with predictable results. I haven't looked at the snapshot sequencer but it looks to be pretty straightforward, so I'm sure I'll be fine when/if I want to use it. And if it's that easy for me to dive into a synth with a very different workflow and GUI, then I can't see how anyone can find patching synths such a big deal. Or am I some kind of genius savant? Honestly, those are your only options.

[DrGonzo]

And if it's that easy for me to dive into a synth with a very different workflow and GUI, then I can't see how anyone can find patching synths such a big deal. Or am I some kind of genius savant? Honestly, those are your only options.

I found that when you've reached a certain level, it's mainly about taste and style than technicalities. Making sounds, music or food - it's the same. You have developed a defined taste that you trust. That makes it easy to get where you want. It's like a compass.

[BONES]

Exactly! You develop an affinity, not so much for instruments, but for the kinds of sounds a project needs. Still, it remains an organic process, you can't approach it with any precision. You can't say "for this bassline I will set the cutoff to 120Hz and apply the mod envelope at +32%, which will have an attack time of 2ms, decay of 437ms, sustain at 43% and a release time of 236ms." You have your useful starting points but from there you are mostly guided by your feel for what you're doing, what the piece you are working on needs.

Some people like their starting point to be a blank canvas but, over time, I found that can be too limiting. I'd much rather be inspired by someone else's preset and see, firstly, where it takes me and then where I can take it. It sends you off in different directions, it expands your palette beyond your comfort zone, which challenges you to do better, to do more. If all you ever do is start from scratch and make something that works well enough, you're denying yourself and your work the opportunity to be something more than you thought it could be.

[DrGonzo]

Exactly! You develop an affinity, not so much for instruments, but for the kinds of sounds a project needs. Still, it remains an organic process, you can't approach it with any precision.

Right - the instruments are just a car. It just takes you places. But with your old Ford who you have owned for ten years+ and you've used it every day, you can basically sleep and drive. When I'm making sounds for Diva, I never think about which parameter I should reach for. I am 100% enveloped in what feeling I want to create. The other day I found myself at a red light and I suddenly realized I had no clue what the effing pedals did. Which one is the brake? I didn't realized I was driving after about two seconds after it turned green. Technicalities are great when someone comes to you and say they want an interval pluck with a pumping reverb. Click click done. But that almost becomes a template you made for yourself you can then use as a staring point of making something really cool.

[Syngularity]

I don't care how smart I am in sound design, I care about the idea of a song and the composition itself and how I can get a good result in the most efficient way. Makes no sense to me to waste hours with tweaking a sound from the init, when random tools give me the chance of a quicker workflow.

[DrGonzo]

I don't care how smart I am in sound design, I care about the idea of a song and the composition itself and how I can get a good result in the most efficient way. Makes no sense to me to waste hours with tweaking a sound from the init, when random tools give me the chance of a quicker workflow.

There are a thousand ways to create art, music, compositions etc. Anyone who can go from an idea to a finished piece has my fullest respect.

[seafire]

James Hunt couldn't change a wheel on his car, apparently...

[writheuk]

I don't care how smart I am in sound design, I care about the idea of a song and the composition itself and how I can get a good result in the most efficient way. Makes no sense to me to waste hours with tweaking a sound from the init, when random tools give me the chance of a quicker workflow.

Well said. For some of us life's too short to sit around "honing".