Frequency Block Synthesis

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Does it run on Babya Logic?

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i turned all the wavs upside down! i invented a new synthesis!!!
awesome. Does it make new sounds?
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For all remaining in scepticism and sticking in denyism FBS remains miracle.
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In your logic digital additive synthesis does not exist, neither resynthesis, nor FBS. But all exist. And all work as a synthesis method shall.

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Playing back samples in a sample playback engine isnt a new approach or algorithm.
You are watching all the time the general layering technic of samples, but... the novelty is the working system that is hidden behind: its standardized building components, the systematic thought that needs to be applied as a method to reach a repeatable and accurate systematic synthesis.
Once you will understand.

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So, doing something a certain way with an existing synthesizer now constitutes a new synthesis method....?

In that case, I just invented 'Centered Parameter Synthesis' (CPS for short because we need smart abbreviations). I discovered that setting all the knobs on any analog synthesizer to the center position makes a sound that is very specific for that synthesizer. And that goes for any analog synthesizer, which obviously proves that I am right :tu:

ChatGPT assured me that I now have the copyright on any sound made on an analog synthesizer where all the knobs are centered, and anyone using such a sound has to take a license from me :hihi:

:D
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 3:50 am FBS remains miracle.
Nope.
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:00 am digital additive synthesis does not exist, neither resynthesis, nor FBS.
Fallacious argument. Digital additive synthesis and resynthesis exist and are effectively categories of process, implementable via multiple methods.

As I have already pointed out, multiple times, you are using an existing audio engine architecture in a crude version of a specific known and pre-existing type of additive synthesis, which you have approximated via layered sample playback. Ive also given proof that this is known and pre-existing.

FBS is not a new method.
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 4:16 amthe novelty is the working system that is hidden behind: its standardized building components, the systematic thought that needs to be applied as a method to reach a repeatable and accurate systematic synthesis.
If it is systematic, explain the system.
If it is a method, describe it as an algorithm.
If it is novel, describe exactly how it is novel.
If you claim a copyright, state exactly what the copyright covers.
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whyterabbyt wrote: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:54 am As I have already pointed out, multiple times, you are using an existing audio engine architecture in a crude version of a specific known and pre-existing type of additive synthesis, which you have approximated via layered sample playback. Ive also given proof that this is known and pre-existing.
Just in case more proof is needed here's information on additive synthesis from the pretty-damned authorititive 'Computer Music Tutorial' by Curtis Roads, 1995.
"Additive synthesis is a class of sound synthesis techniques based on the summation of elementary waveforms to create a more complex waveform. Additive synthesis is one of the oldest and most heavily researched synthesis techniques.
Background
The concept of additive synthesis is centuries old, first being applied in pipe organs by means of their multiple register-stops. By pulling on a register-stop, air could be routed to a set of pipes. The air was actually released into the pipecreating soundby pressing a key on the organ keyboard. By pulling several register-stops in various proportions one could add together the sound of several pipes for each key pressed on the organ musical keyboard.
According to one scholar, "The Middle Ages particularly favored the 'mixtures' in which every note was accompanied by several fifths and octaves based upon it" (Geiringer 1945).
This idea of frequency "mixtures" is the essence of additive synthesis.
Any method that adds several elementary waveforms to create a new one could be classified as a form of additive synthesis.
Walsh Function Synthesis
So far we have discussed analysis/resynthesis as a process based mainly on Fourier analysis with resynthesis based on sine wave summation. The Fourier sine wave approach has a long tradition of research and application stemming from the original theorem that states that for periodic signals, a combination of sine waves of various frequencies can be created that approximate arbitrarily closely the original signal.
Mathematical research has shown that other groups of waveforms besides sine waves can be used to approximate signals. A family of square waves called the Walsh functions can be used to approximate a signal after it has been analyzed by means of the Walsh-Hadamard transform
Wavestacking
Wavetable stacking or wavestacking is a simple and effective variation on additive synthesis. In this method each sound event results from the addition of several waveforms (typically four to eight on commercial synthesizers). This is done in a different way than in classical additive synthesis. Classical additive synthesis sums sine waves, whereas in wavestacking each waveform can be a complicated signal, such as a sampled sound
So there we have it, from one of the most authoritive figures in synthesis algorithms for the past 30+ years. There is a specific variant of additive synthesis called wavestacking, which, for example involves mixing 4 to 8 waveforms on a commercial synthesiser, where those 'complicated signals' could be sampled sounds.
FBS is being sold as a set of presets for a commercial synthesiser, which mixes up to 8 waveforms, where those 'complicated signals' are tailored samples.
Hmmm.
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Sun Jun 08, 2025 10:16 pm
The core of that method is finding a fluffy name which sounds like something new. Then it doesn’t need to be new…
Come on:
Which former synthesis method do you think to be the same as FBS?
wavestacking
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:18 am
Its listed in this thread, just read it again…
Come on, name it now pls.
What's the name of the synthesis, that is the same as Frequency Block Synthesis?
wavestacking
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 3:01 pm
I believe people just call it "layering".
Layering is not a synthesis method. Please check what synthesis methods are. Layering is just filling up the air with sounds originating from different instruments. FBS is not a simple layering, it produces one instrument out of prepared frequency blocks as sound-"lego"-blocks. It is a unique synthesis method even though it is easy. I used my brain, that's why you can have it. You never thought such an idea would work!

But question still exist: which synthesis method is the same as FBS?
wavestacking
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 5:56 pm THE QUESTION IS STILL OPENED FOR YOU ALL GUYS:
WHICH SYNTHESIS IS THE SAME AS FBS, THAT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF? still waiting................
WAVESTACKING
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Innovative synthesis wrote: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:15 pm
The answer to that already exists; FBS is not a synthesis method.
Oh yes, like grass is not green. Take it as an axiom!

Here is the definition of SYNTHESIS METHOD:
"A synthesis method is a specific technique or algorithm used to generate sound, typically by combining or manipulating basic sound elements such as waveforms, frequencies, noise, or samples.
It defines how sound is created, shaped, and controlled electronically or digitally." So FBS is a synthesis method and wait..., grass is green.

Moreover: FBS defines how sound is created, shaped and controlled in a unique way, because IT USES PREPARED, NON-OVERLAPPING, SET OF FREQUENCY BLOCKS (MADE OF SAMPLES) THAT ACT LIKE SOUND-LEGO PIECES TO BUILD ANY TYPE OF INSTRUMENTS OUT OF.

still waiting for a similar synthesis method from you all, masters!
wavestacking
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