AI + Music --> What will the future look like?

[bermudagold]

Music became less important to youth culture a long time ago, really since social media. Prior to the kind of instant communication that we have now, the need for social predictability and a shared set of symbols/norms lent music a special status.

Can music still be a kind of sonic imprint, an expression of the times as lived by the artist? Maybe, but there's certainly less of a need for that sort of thing. People can simply talk about their experiences now, create podcasts etc., speak instantly with anyone anywhere.

I think it's more likely that the extra plasticity will allow for ever-evolving background music in games, and interactive environments will dominate entertainment. And also learning, i.e. virtual learning environments.

Ah, I see, you are considering the function of music in society.

In short, you're saying: Music has lost significant importance since the
advent of social media. It's no longer a defining element and hallmark of a
generation, but rather mutates into a kind of accessory and background for
other forms of entertainment and communication. The AI-driven music
generation of the future is more of a "final act" that will only further reduce its
significance to virtually zero, as it will be readily available anytime, anywhere,
and will function as "accessory" or "decoration" for other content.

Hmm, yes, that will probably be the case. But it's also the final nail in the
coffin for any human, original emotional composition. And that includes jazz
music—at least in part—and classical music. When will the AI ​​version of
Beethoven's 27th be released? Soon!

i wonder this as well...it is true that a significant percentage of the population doesn't have an intimate relationship with music...they are more interested in the things "around" music that increase their ability to have access to social activities...music is just a necessary conduit to being socially relevant...I've noticed this being involved in music in many different ways...
part of this is driven by the removal of the communal, especially significance of terrestrial radio...i think what people miss about radio is the communal experiences and shared moments between groups of people that become shared memories...humans are social beings and innately crave socialization...the irony is social media is not actually social in meaningful ways like traditional mechanisms...i think people may want the opposite of the isolation of the hyper personalized algorithm, amplified by the pandemic and a return to the communal...local terrestrial radio, the jukebox, the boombox, and the record player created and facilitated these

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viewtopic.php?p=8957151&hilit=SOCIAL#p8957151
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[jancivil]

the problem definitely is not the youth of a person. If I had to say, AFAICT the interest is the same as when I was young. Google's "AI Overview" frequently fails to understand the question, if it has to think it will fail, and it's programmed to use 'this just in' prevalence as the more pertinent thing to offer. But Youtube's algorithm taking stock of the user's history to make suggestions offers up real interest in my case. I encounter things all the time of very specifically happening young musicians.

the PTB are lying about everything, same as it ever was.

[vurt]

the problem definitely is not the youth of a person. If I had to say, AFAICT the interest is the same as when I was young. Google's "AI Overview" frequently fails to understand the question, if it has to think it will fail, and it's programmed to use 'this just in' prevalence as the more pertinent thing to offer. But Youtube's algorithm taking stock of the user's history to make suggestions offers up real interest in my case. I encounter things all the time of very specifically happening young musicians.

the PTB are lying about everything, same as it ever was.

yup, kids are the same as they ever were, some like making music, some like hanging around on the streets...
i see as many kids, with long coloured hair, carrying guitars, as when i was a teenager doing the same.
i can hear several drummers practicing from my yard, at various times (distance and direction, as well as playing ability tell me it's not the same person) and my own experience tells me electronic instruments hard and soft, are selling more units than before, so there are plenty of musicians out there.
all that's changed is our method of discovery.
where before we were fed the same stuff from one end of the country to the other via radio, now i get to hear a piece by a shut in from lands end, who otherwise id never have heard in the old regime, if im honest, im happier now with the choices i have, even if the mainstream is becoming more homogenous.

[CrystalWizard]

Music became less important to youth culture a long time ago, really since social media. Prior to the kind of instant communication that we have now, the need for social predictability and a shared set of symbols/norms lent music a special status.

Can music still be a kind of sonic imprint, an expression of the times as lived by the artist? Maybe, but there's certainly less of a need for that sort of thing. People can simply talk about their experiences now, create podcasts etc., speak instantly with anyone anywhere.

I think it's more likely that the extra plasticity will allow for ever-evolving background music in games, and interactive environments will dominate entertainment. And also learning, i.e. virtual learning environments.

Ah, I see, you are considering the function of music in society.

In short, you're saying: Music has lost significant importance since the
advent of social media. It's no longer a defining element and hallmark of a
generation, but rather mutates into a kind of accessory and background for
other forms of entertainment and communication. The AI-driven music
generation of the future is more of a "final act" that will only further reduce its
significance to virtually zero, as it will be readily available anytime, anywhere,
and will function as "accessory" or "decoration" for other content.

Hmm, yes, that will probably be the case. But it's also the final nail in the
coffin for any human, original emotional composition. And that includes jazz
music—at least in part—and classical music. When will the AI ​​version of
Beethoven's 27th be released? Soon!

i wonder this as well...it is true that a significant percentage of the population doesn't have an intimate relationship with music...they are more interested in the things "around" music that increase their ability to have access to social activities...music is just a necessary conduit to being socially relevant...I've noticed this being involved in music in many different ways...
part of this is driven by the removal of the communal, especially significance of terrestrial radio...i think what people miss about radio is the communal experiences and shared moments between groups of people that become shared memories...humans are social beings and innately crave socialization...the irony is social media is not actually social in meaningful ways like traditional mechanisms...i think people may want the opposite of the isolation of the hyper personalized algorithm, amplified by the pandemic and a return to the communal...local terrestrial radio, the jukebox, the boombox, and the record player created and facilitated these

came up in simila threads
viewtopic.php?p=8957151&hilit=SOCIAL#p8957151
viewtopic.php?p=8969218&hilit=SOCIAL#p8969218

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viewtopic.php?p=9190753#p9190753

Same exact reasoning was presented, but, framed in a youth of today, which i think is relevant. Not the whole answer, (anti)social media being more important, but, who's growing up as a kid using this stuff?

the PTB are lying about everything, same as it ever was.

There is water at the bottom of the ocean
That's the truth for at least a few thousand years of human history.

[bermudagold]

the problem definitely is not the youth of a person. If I had to say, AFAICT the interest is the same as when I was young.

yup, kids are the same as they ever were, some like making music, some like hanging around on the streets...
i see as many kids, with long coloured hair, carrying guitars, as when i was a teenager doing the same.
i can hear several drummers practicing from my yard, at various times (distance and direction, as well as playing ability tell me it's not the same person) and my own experience tells me electronic instruments hard and soft, are selling more units than before, so there are plenty of musicians out there.
all that's changed is our method of discovery.
where before we were fed the same stuff from one end of the country to the other via radio, now i get to hear a piece by a shut in from lands end, who otherwise id never have heard in the old regime, if im honest, im happier now with the choices i have, even if the mainstream is becoming more homogenous.

I would agree with ur second point, but I'd be curious on the veracity of your first one regionally and globally...in my anecdotal coming and goings I have seen a large steady decrease in young people carrying instruments...have seen many schools have to shut down instrument extra curricular activities due to lack of participation...in my current location, a local band with a 100yr history and prestige is on its last legs literally begging kids to join with free instruments and free instrumental tuition

[CrystalWizard]

the problem definitely is not the youth of a person. If I had to say, AFAICT the interest is the same as when I was young.

yup, kids are the same as they ever were, some like making music, some like hanging around on the streets...
i see as many kids, with long coloured hair, carrying guitars, as when i was a teenager doing the same.
i can hear several drummers practicing from my yard, at various times (distance and direction, as well as playing ability tell me it's not the same person) and my own experience tells me electronic instruments hard and soft, are selling more units than before, so there are plenty of musicians out there.
all that's changed is our method of discovery.
where before we were fed the same stuff from one end of the country to the other via radio, now i get to hear a piece by a shut in from lands end, who otherwise id never have heard in the old regime, if im honest, im happier now with the choices i have, even if the mainstream is becoming more homogenous.

I would agree with ur second point, but I'd be curious on the veracity of your first one regionally and globally...in my anecdotal coming and goings I have seen a large steady decrease in young people carrying instruments...have seen many schools have to shut down instrument extra curricular activities due to lack of participation...in my current location, a local band with a 100yr history and prestige is on its last legs literally begging kids to join with free instruments and free instrumental tuition

Yes, i'm thinking the same. Was the gist of my and some other commenters statements in the thread i linked. Not a "kids these days" argument, simply a "society these days in the US" discussion.
I mentioned radio and having hard copies of LPs to discover other musics. How do kids afford the absurt ticket prices for events?
Most of the schools i'm familiar with have dropped music and art (no need for creativity in the LLM zombie apocalypse. No budget left in most public schools in the US. I haven't heard too many bands of kids except the heavy metal scene where i am now orbiting. If they are out there i'd like to find them. There were a lot of kids doing EDM (but almost no live indtruments) in the zone i was in between 2005-2017.

[jancivil]

While my best friend got bussed to a super-progressive experimental high school as part of desegration and basically practiced guitar all day there, I didn't know anyone dependent on school-sponsored activities to do music. I almost didn't attend high school at all.

[CrystalWizard]

the problem definitely is not the youth of a person... ...I encounter things all the time of very specifically happening young musicians.

the PTB are lying about everything, same as it ever was.

yup, kids are the same as they ever were, some like making music, some like hanging around on the streets...
i see as many kids, with long coloured hair, carrying guitars, as when i was a teenager doing the same.
i can hear several drummers practicing from my yard, at various times (distance and direction, as well as playing ability tell me it's not the same person) and my own experience tells me electronic instruments hard and soft, are selling more units than before, so there are plenty of musicians out there.
all that's changed is our method of discovery.
where before we were fed the same stuff from one end of the country to the other via radio, now i get to hear a piece by a shut in from lands end, who otherwise id never have heard in the old regime, if im honest, im happier now with the choices i have, even if the mainstream is becoming more homogenous.

But, you're not in the US, right?

While my best friend got bussed to a super-progressive experimental high school as part of desegration and basically practiced guitar all day there, I didn't know anyone dependent on school-sponsored activities to do music. I almost didn't attend high school at all.

OK, fair enough, i lasted a month into the year i had Band for a class, then quit and got a GED. Most of the people (kids) in the scenes that i have been parti did start at home.

[jancivil]

The AI-driven music
generation of the future is more of a "final act" that will only further reduce its
significance to virtually zero, as it will be readily available anytime, anywhere,
and will function as "accessory" or "decoration" for other content.

Hmm, yes, that will probably be the case. But it's also the final nail in the
coffin for any human, original emotional composition. And that includes jazz
music—at least in part—and classical music.

That's some story! What it doesn't do at all is support its contentions in any way.
Humans seem to be much more resilient than you know. TBH music must not mean all that much to you if you're good with saying shit like significance reduced to zero. Speak for yourself.

muted. you're part of the fuckin' problem

[CrystalWizard]

Um, that's misquoted, i didn't say that.
I just quoted jancivil and agreed about schools.

[jancivil]

Get out and touch grass. Tell people some high-flying story, vurt shouldn't believe his own eyes and ears, I'm seeing music put out all the time: kids younger than I ever knew at high levels of achievement.
"including jazz music" - like you know anything of the life.

Lazy doom-saying.

[Bombadil]

Interestingly, this being a very petit bourgeois part of the country, I see students with classical instruments far more often than guitars. This ain‘t a rocknroll place, though there is some. It‘s bit frustrating for an Uncouth Rocker such as mesel‘, lol.

[Bunny_boy]

Interestingly, this being a very petit bourgeois part of the country, I see students with classical instruments far more often than guitars. This ain‘t a rocknroll place, though there is some. It‘s bit frustrating for an Uncouth Rocker such as mesel‘, lol.

I've now got this image of teenagers telling you to turn that racket down

[Bombadil]

Interestingly, this being a very petit bourgeois part of the country, I see students with classical instruments far more often than guitars. This ain‘t a rocknroll place, though there is some. It‘s bit frustrating for an Uncouth Rocker such as mesel‘, lol.

I've now got this image of teenagers telling you to turn that racket down

Someone squealed!
Not quite teenagers. This young guy in his 20's moved above us 3 years ago. Here, you're supposed to stop music after 10:00. I never had an issue playing music at a bit of volume until 11:00 or later, but this kid demands it at 10:00. Given that I am not in my home country, married, etc., I told him to f**k off, but then turned the music down at 10:00.
This guy is the only guy who complained in 20+ years. I told him that, and told him to invest in some carpets.
Last summer, he and his new she bitched about my smoking dope in my back garden.
BLOODY KIDS THESE DAYS!!!

[CrystalWizard]

Interestingly, this being a very petit bourgeois part of the country, I see students with classical instruments far more often than guitars. This ain‘t a rocknroll place, though there is some. It‘s bit frustrating for an Uncouth Rocker such as mesel‘, lol.

I've now got this image of teenagers telling you to turn that racket down

Someone squealed!
Not quite teenagers. This young guy in his 20's moved above us 3 years ago. Here, you're supposed to stop music after 10:00. I never had an issue playing music at a bit of volume until 11:00 or later, but this kid demands it at 10:00. Given that I am not in my home country, married, etc., I told him to f**k off, but then turned the music down at 10:00.
This guy is the only guy who complained in 20+ years. I told him that, and told him to invest in some carpets.
Last summer, he and his new she bitched about my smoking dope in my back garden.
BLOODY KIDS THESE DAYS!!!

That's upside down!