Nuendo 3 - now only $2499!

[LoRez]

Nuendo does have better surround options compared to other hosts but not to Vegas and DVD Architect.

Nuendo can go all the way to 10.2 surround. Vegas only goes to 5.1. *AND* to boot - when you use a Mackie-style controller with Vegas, the master fader only controls the front two positions, leaving the surrounds and LFE unchanged. Ick.

Some people here are making a big play out of PDC but Sonar has had that for ages.

PDC didn't work correctlly in Sonar with used with UAD-1 for the longest time - dunno if it ever got fixed. Steinberg has had a longer, more mature PDC implementation, and it shows. The Studio Connections protocol extends that into areas that Sonar hasn't thought about yet.

If you've spent all that money on Nuendo I suppose you have to convince everyone it's the best and worth every penny.

Nuendo is not better in every respect, but it "charts" well enough in all aspects to set it above the rest. You will always find something that will do a particular function as well or better than Nuendo, but you won't find one that does all of them as well. That's not justifying an investment, that's the voice of experience and reality. Sonar and Vegas are great apps - but they *AIN'T* Nuendo.

Actually, even though Sonar4's surround only goes to 8.1 (just shy of 10.2), I think the surround is vastly better implemented. Also, the PDC problem with UAD1 plugs is a problem with the UAD wrapper. Using the built in Sonar wrapper and running them as VST plugs they work just dandy. I don't see how Steinberg's history of PDC is longer or more mature since it didn't even have it until SX2. Sonar and Vegas ain't Nuendo. True. And the converse is true as well. Nuendo ain't Sonar or Vegas. So what? I would argue that Sonar "charts" as high in as many categories as Nuendo does. Unless of course you need 10.2 mixing that is...

[rbet]

I'll only buy Nuendo if there's a decent discount on a twelve-pack.

Meffy

[Meffy]

I'll only buy Nuendo if there's a decent discount on a twelve-pack.

Meffy

Okay, truth be told I can't even afford the upgrade to Sonar 4 at present. But having enough for a dozen Nuendoes (or is it Nuendos?) -- it's a nice thought, isn't it?

Meffy

[munchkin]

Nuendo can go all the way to 10.2 surround. Vegas only goes to 5.1. *AND* to boot - when you use a Mackie-style controller with Vegas, the master fader only controls the front two positions, leaving the surrounds and LFE unchanged. Ick.

You're right about Vegas but Sonar does 10.2. I would hope that the Mackie controller could be configured to work with any parameter in a host.

PDC didn't work correctlly in Sonar with used with UAD-1 for the longest time - dunno if it ever got fixed. Steinberg has had a longer, more mature PDC implementation, and it shows. The Studio Connections protocol extends that into areas that Sonar hasn't thought about yet.

Sonar works perfectly with UAD-1 and has done since version 2. Sonar had full PDC before any of the other hosts. I seem to remember that Nuendo didn't have PDC for a long while. Now it does and so does virtually every other major host (except Logic).

Nuendo is not better in every respect, but it "charts" well enough in all aspects to set it above the rest. You will always find something that will do a particular function as well or better than Nuendo, but you won't find one that does all of them as well. That's not justifying an investment, that's the voice of experience and reality. Sonar and Vegas are great apps - but they *AIN'T* Nuendo.

And Nuendo ain't Sonar or Vegas. None of the features you have referred to make Nuendo worth the asking price. The voice of experience and reality is usually just personal opinion dressed up to sound important.

[rbet]

Yeah, maybe you can give me one when you get your twelve pack... I am still saving for my copy of FLS!

I'll only buy Nuendo if there's a decent discount on a twelve-pack.

Meffy

Okay, truth be told I can't even afford the upgrade to Sonar 4 at present. But having enough for a dozen Nuendoes (or is it Nuendos?) -- it's a nice thought, isn't it?

Meffy

[HHaynes]

I would argue that Sonar "charts" as high in as many categories as Nuendo does. Unless of course you need 10.2 mixing that is...

Dude - seriously - if you think that Sonar has post-production-specific features equal to Nuendo - you just keep thinking that.

Let me know when Sonar can

• drive Blackmagic Decklink, or run a VOB directly for frame-accurate sync
• link any number of systems (Mac or PC) together to collaborate on projects across the room or across the net
• directly control and compensate for outboard processors, integrating seamlessly with high-end digital consoles like the Yamaha DM2000 or Euphonix MC-5
• use a sync protocol across a digital audio connection (again, Mac *or* PC) to allow two or more machines to scrub with sample-accuracy, fully compensated
• send jog/shuttle machine commands to slave devices through 9-pin control.

Then we can talk about how Sonar is equal to Nuendo...

You kids have fun... the sour grapes club is in full session.

[VMan88]

Did I miss this or did someone not mention that Nuendo can do audio at 192khz whereas Cubase is limited to 96khz?

[HHaynes]

Did I miss this or did someone not mention that Nuendo can do audio at 192khz whereas Cubase is limited to 96khz?

Actually, Nuendo can export audio up to 384kHz. Why anyone would want to do that, I don't know - but it's there. I believe the input sample rate is tied to ability of the sound card input (negotiated through the ASIO layer, I'm sure). G'night.

[munchkin]

You kids have fun... the sour grapes club is in full session.

So this is what it's all about - you're the pro and we're the kids are we? What are you doing playing with 'the kids' at KVR then? Why don't you join your fellow pro's and masturbate over how professional your 'rigs' are.

Anyone here can write a list of all the things their host can do that the others can't. Big deal. Mind you don't sit on those low hanging balls big guy.

Nuendo is still over priced and a waste of money whatever patronising wank you come out with.

[LoRez]

I would argue that Sonar "charts" as high in as many categories as Nuendo does. Unless of course you need 10.2 mixing that is...

Dude - seriously - if you think that Sonar has post-production-specific features equal to Nuendo - you just keep thinking that.

Let me know when Sonar can

• drive Blackmagic Decklink, or run a VOB directly for frame-accurate sync
• link any number of systems (Mac or PC) together to collaborate on projects across the room or across the net
• directly control and compensate for outboard processors, integrating seamlessly with high-end digital consoles like the Yamaha DM2000 or Euphonix MC-5
• use a sync protocol across a digital audio connection (again, Mac *or* PC) to allow two or more machines to scrub with sample-accuracy, fully compensated
• send jog/shuttle machine commands to slave devices through 9-pin control.

Then we can talk about how Sonar is equal to Nuendo...

You kids have fun... the sour grapes club is in full session.

I think maybe you misunderstood or perhaps I was not clear. I didn't mean to suggest Sonar had every feature of Nuendo...especially now taht you mention "post-production-specific features". I would not have argued Sonar had as many of these covered as Nuendo. Nor did I ever say Nuendo wasn't worth the money if you need some of these post specific features. I simply said that the surround is better implemented in my opionion and there are indeed features that Nuendo does not have compared to Sonar (i.e. SurroundBridge, far better loop support, move, copy, rearrange plugs on the fly with settings intact, etc). There are indeed some very specific features in Nuendo that are not easy to implement and demand a higher price. There are no sourgrapes here. It's just that I contend Sonar is as good a product as Nuendo, it just "charts" in different areas...and pound for pound value (up to a point) is definitely one of them.

Oh, and as much as I wish I could still qualify as a "kid"...I'm afraid I don't fit in that category any more.

[cold c]

i wish that SX3 had offline batch processing IMO that´s a functionallity that only who has used it knows how much the work flow is increased.

SX3 already has offline batch processing, if I understand what you mean by that term.

-Open the audio pool.
-Import the files you want.
-Highlight the files.
-Right-click, and choose whatever plugin or process you want.
-Click process

Duh...SX has offline processing but don´t save it has batch.
EG: you have a guitar sound you think it´s all rigth ,like EQ ,compression ,Amplitube ,some weird stuff and more compression.
Nuendo saves it as batch ,next time you want to process similar signal it´s just a click away.

ain´t that grand???

Grand, but not worth a grand.

You did not previously specify you wanted to save it as a batch.

The macros in SX3 already allow the user to chain a number of offline processes into a "saved" chain for a "batch" of files, but in SX3 the user has to choose the preset for each plugin.

Enjoy your professional media production software.

[hello1234]

http://www.steinbergusa.net/ProductPage ... angue_ID=7

Prices* and availability

Nuendo 3.0 Full Version SRP $1999.00
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Nuendo 3.0 Update from Nuendo 1.x SRP $419.00
Nuendo 3.0 Update from Nuendo 2.x SRP $299.00

Nuendo 3 will be shipping in late November 2004.

Rumors are Australian prices may be punitively higher.

But it's 20 to 40 percent better than Sonar...........
Oh, I know.........I couldn't resist.......it's evil I tell ya..............I'm possed....(not really.....just board)

[stag]

Grand, but not worth a grand.

You did not previously specify you wanted to save it as a batch.

The macros in SX3 already allow the user to chain a number of offline processes into a "saved" chain for a "batch" of files, but in SX3 the user has to choose the preset for each plugin.

Enjoy your professional media production software.

I´m not buying it ,unfortunatelly.
I´m just wishing for a Nuendo Version without pro post production.

I didn´t know on Cubase we could build macros for 3rd party plugs.
Anyway on Nuendo these batches appear on the rigth click contextual menu.

[Chickenman]

You are all stupid...


All this wank accounts to nothing, people who can't afford it bitch and moan and whine and the people who can but already bought something else have to justify their choice and then the people who actually own the app get all niggly....


It doesn't f**king matter what you use! A lot of the people that have a lot of the technology make a lot of shit music and only have things for the "wank" value...
People with true talent and vision create with whatever they have.

[munchkin]

But it's Nuendo, the top of the heap, the king of the hill, have some respect please!