was music discovered or invented?

[cptgone]

Let's say that birds make loops then.

What do you mean?

- women are loopy?
- birds do loops in the air?
- birds in your part of the world sing the same licks all the time? Go into the woods with a big ghetto-blaster and let them hear some fresh sounds man!

[Ackelito]

We all heard the philosophical question: If a tree falls in the wood does it make a sound? (of course it does)

lets ask us, if two planets in space colide with eachother do they make a sound? a sound or just a vibration, or will the impact make a quick sound and quickly end, what will happen?

for sound to be heard do we need time and space and a optimal atmosphere? In outer space there is another atmosphere(can you say that?) maybe not optimal for sound to be heard but optimal to travle? travle one way... if sound has no surface to be reflected against will it only travle one way? which way? remember that we are in outer space now... is there a force that sound is atracted to? does sound seek light/energi?

by now you have notices that this is just philoshopical ramblings... anyone up for some of that shit?

the saga continues...

Sound is beyond life, we havent come to the point where we can use sound to its ultimate capacity! i believe that sound is a big key in the riddle/mystery/puzzle of universe, but its only a key, universe probably contains of lots of keys.

music is a man made word, for sure, but if music, not as a word but as a meaning is the biggest form of communication is one question, now think deep, communication does not necessary have to involve life, life like we see it. im enetering the boarder of "string theory" and ill end it here aswell..

anyway
we discoverd sound and made music!

right now im not in a philosophical mood to investigate this further, but maybe someone else wants to take my thoughts and take them further?

a little food for thought would be; can life travle with sound?

does sound need life?
does life need sound?

who needs who,

Who am i??

lol laters dudes

[nuffink]

We all heard the philosophical question: If a tree falls in the wood does it make a sound? (of course it does)

No it doesn't. It creates vibrations in a medium(s) (in this case air and earth). To qualify as sound those vibrations have to be registered by a hearing mechanism (typically an ear or its substitute a microphone).

[VitaminD]

uhmm.. but I thought sound was just energy being dissapated through the air in the form of vibrations through compression?

kind of like in a collision.. some of the energy of the moving body is transfered through heat and another part through the air (in the form of a loud *SMASH*)

???

[vurt]

uhmm.. but I thought sound was just energy being dissapated through the air in the form of vibrations through compression?

kind of like in a collision.. some of the energy of the moving body is transfered through heat and another part through the air (in the form of a loud *SMASH*)

???

not just a smash but the tinkle of glass the whooshing of air and such a veritable orchestra to the right ears

[nuffink]

uhmm.. but I thought sound was just energy being dissapated through the air in the form of vibrations through compression?

Sure, sound is...

energy being dissapated through the air in the form of vibrations through compression?

...however...

energy being dissapated through the air in the form of vibrations through compression?

...isn't necessarily sound.

[The Chase]

sound travels through air kinetically via molecules hitting eachother (think of balls in a game of pool or those things that people keep on their desk that contain 6 or so metal balls suspended by string). In space there is nothing, so this vibration can not be heard.

a little food for thought would be; can life travle with sound?

does sound need life?
does life need sound?

who needs who,

Who am i??

lol laters dudes

rubbish

[The Chase]

All vibration can be taken as sound by an organism (just as all sound is vibration). Even a microphone cannot capture sound. It converts vibration into electrical impulses.

[thisdude]

Now you're getting into objective truth versus perceived reality. If you believe the latter, the tree makes no noise and the big-bang happened at conception... but that's another story.

[SaviorNeeded]

Obviously sound travels through space or how could we hear ships' phasers on Star Trek?

Huh-answer me that, then! There you have it.

Tom

[TechNoiZ]

It has always been my understanding that all movement could be interpreted as sound. Our ears and brain are just mechanisms for capturing movement through an appropriate medium. Just because we cannot 'hear it' does not mean that it is not sound. Dogs, bats and small children all have a wider range of hearing than us (assuming none of us here are dogs, bats or small children that is). All of this unheard (by us) movement of the air is still sound. You cannot really (or fairly) discriminate between unordered movement - or noise - and that caused by vibration, or repetitive movement (a standing wave in the case of pitched sounds).

There is an interesting experiment you can do which highlights the role of human perception in the understanding of sound. If a pulse generator - or oscillator creates a pulse at (roughly) a frequency of 25Hz or below (try 1Hz), our brain apprehends that the sound is that of a series, all be it a speedy one, of disclocated clicks or pulses. As the 20-25Hz frequency is passed the brain begins to apprehend not a series of clicks but a tone. As the frequency increase further the sound becomes more and more 'pitched' until it is undeniably a note. Now the oscillator has not changed what it was doing so it must be our brain that has altered its perception of the information - the movement of the air.

Try it yourself.

[The Chase]

It has always been my understanding that all movement could be interpreted as sound. Our ears and brain are just mechanisms for capturing movement through an appropriate medium. Just because we cannot 'hear it' does not mean that it is not sound. Dogs, bats and small children all have a wider range of hearing than us (assuming none of us here are dogs, bats or small children that is). All of this unheard (by us) movement of the air is still sound. You cannot really (or fairly) discriminate between unordered movement - or noise - and that caused by vibration, or repetitive movement (a standing wave in the case of pitched sounds).

I think it only becomes sound after our brains and ears interpret it. Therefore, I guess I wouldn't consider all of the vibrations we do not pickup as sound, but due to the philisophical nature of this question, it's only oppinion.

[VicDiesel]

uhmm.. but I thought sound was just energy being dissapated through the air in the form of vibrations through compression?

Music doesn't actually have to sound. Beethoven was deaf at the end of his life, but he probably experience his own compositions in much the same way as an actual listener. Or in general people who read music.

I've once written a piece of music completely with just paper and pen. When we actually played it, it sounded like I imagined it. So I'd say I heard it before it was ever played.

So you could describe music on paper well enough that you or other people can experience it without any sound being involved. You could even describe it in words and give peope a musical experience. Ian McEwan describes a composer at work in "Amsterdam", and he does that so well, I feel like I've heard this purely imaginary composition.

Et cetera.

V.

[VicDiesel]

by harmony i mean why a certain sound should sound different to the next

Shades of humpty dumpty.

Merriam Webster, first meaning not denoted as "archaic": the combination of simultaneous musical notes in a chord b : the structure of music with respect to the composition and progression of chords c : the science of the structure, relation, and progression of chords

And that's pretty much unique to western music.

V.

[cptgone]

It has always been my understanding that all movement could be interpreted as sound.

That explains the shrieking sound whenever I 'present arms' for a lady. Silly me, I always thought they just hollered at the sight of my immensity.

Our ears and brain are just mechanisms for capturing movement through an appropriate medium.

I bet you're a real sweet talker with the ladies right? "capturing movement through an appropriate medium" gotta remember that one.

Just because we cannot 'hear it' does not mean that it is not sound.

that must be why birds always know when I farted under the sheets! now I see why that SmartFart Bio Exhaust gadget didn't help...

Dogs, bats and small children all have a wider range of hearing than us (assuming none of us here are dogs, bats or small children that is).

Are you trying to get smart here boy? Nobody talk like that to me boy!

All of this unheard (by us) movement of the air is still sound. You cannot really (or fairly) discriminate between unordered movement - or noise - and that caused by vibration, or repetitive movement (a standing wave in the case of pitched sounds).

There is an interesting experiment you can do which highlights the role of human perception in the understanding of sound. If a pulse generator - or oscillator creates a pulse at (roughly) a frequency of 25Hz or below (try 1Hz), our brain apprehends that the sound is that of a series, all be it a speedy one, of disclocated clicks or pulses. As the 20-25Hz frequency is passed the brain begins to apprehend not a series of clicks but a tone. As the frequency increase further the sound becomes more and more 'pitched' until it is undeniably a note. Now the oscillator has not changed what it was doing so it must be our brain that has altered its perception of the information - the movement of the air.

Try it yourself.

yeah man it's like that wave/particle thing man, it's like a gun, a space gun kinda, and it turns you into a bleeding wave of particles, like granulise you man with full VST automation, like get funky with your cells man, make them do the jive in 5 different time measures all at once, and your balls go all transdimensional on you man.