Reason 3 kicks ass

[Spaceman Sounds]

I'm sure "Mylo" used mostly reason on a Mac G4 to do his album. The production on that is very good. I've just been messing with the combinator...and I think it's very very good. I don't think I would have much trouble putting out a record with just Reason and say Nuendo 2.

On it's own it's pretty unuseable down to the sequencer, but with rewire it's pretty damn good. I don't see why everyone is knocking Reason. If you were all honest you'd see it's potential as a learning tool, and as a professional sound creator in it's own right.

Man it beats the shit out of my crappy Esi-32 8mb sampler and esq-1, and I managed to release a few with that crappy set up alone over 8 years ago. We are too spoilt now. Yes the filters are not that great and the sounds are a bit thin, but once you get stacking them they are superb.

[DHR53]

I've been taking some old songs and just loading in the default Mastering suite between the final mixer and the HW... Pretty big difference!! I'll have to say, the mastering suite may be worth the upgrade alone. Not sure I NEED the combinator myself... But no doubt, if you wanted to use Reason live, and do some "realtime manipulation" it is pretty slick! I use Reason as a standard sequencer/DAW myself, so I'll be trying to fit all this new stuff into my "workflow"... Could take Reason in a couple of new directions?? You sort of have to sit there and say: "hmmm, how could I use this"...

[victorjohn]

The whole Prodigy story is interesting. My understanding of the process was that where the Reason synths were thin, samples of Liam's vintage gear were used and composition still occured in Reason.

I dont find anything strange about that at all, considering I own all the best and brightest of VST plugs, and will still sample analog when I get the chance... For example I use Proton & Proton2 almost exclusively for bass. What is so strange or laughable about the idea of importing analog samples into your soft sampler or Rex player?

Personally, I think Reason 3 is amazing for what it is: a modular system priced at about half of any standard sequencer, and only $150 more than any single VSTi thats worth anything.

Admittedly, I make house/techno, and that makes me dumb to some of you by default. I will mention however, that if you listen to any netcasts in said genres, you are probably hearing some of my work and my partners work. As long as you are unsuspecting of the source, shuffling in your chair, I could care less whether you think Reason sounds thin.

[Stupid American Pig]

well if you are just purchasing it today 449 bucks is quite expensive... the 129 upgrade isnt too bad though

[braj]

well if you are just purchasing it today 449 bucks is quite expensive... the 129 upgrade isnt too bad though

I totally agree with that. If I were just starting out, I doubt I'd buy Reason 3 right now. But if you already have an investment in refills and 2.5, and know the workflow, then the upgrade is nice.

[riley4reason]

Good deal on reason 3.0 and extras here for $280.00

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79541

[Jupiter Prime]

I know Rewire offers the solution to integrate reason in your setup (and it works great, no doubt), but imo it would be nicer to let reason handle the hardware too, so i can keep cubase out of my ram when doing live stuff on my laptop.

[Skaven83]

I've decided to start my own company soon and decided to use Reason 3. I think it's just great having all those sounds and synths for just 400€. I also have Logic 5 silver edition so I will be able to record audio too. When I have more money I might spend on some plugins and mix my reason songs in logic. The new mastering suit in reason is great too. Some synths do sound a bit thin, but with the new combinator patches available, it's easy to fatten those synths. Drums aren't great in reason either, but I have loads of sample cd:s for that, and I could buy some refills. How's that drums refill for reason btw.?

[MotorMind]

i think the best anti-reason thing i've ever read was when Keyboard had a big article on the prodigy, and liam was talking about how he'd given up on all his piles of analog synths, and was using reason for everything for the new album. how he'd have something going in pro tools, but then say fuckit and put it in reason and it was much tighter and better.... then several months later when the album was about to come out, Keyboard had another interview with liam, and he basically said "yea, we wrote a lot of it in reason, but then it just sounded so thin and small we had to replace all the sounds with real synthesizers". i laughed my ass off at that.

Considering how shitty his latest album sounds, it kinda makes you wonder if it would have sounded better if he simply would have used the Reason synths after all

Anyway, I do manage to get quite good sounds with Reason, but it takes a lot of time and lots of connections. Combinator makes life much easier in that regard.

[Stairsteps]

Reason 2.5 , Speaking of drums , the standard ones arent to great but the refills you can find are good sometimes, I use reason as a rewire with Sonar 4 , and it works flawlessly, also able to freeze the reason set up with sonar so i can free up valuable cpu's.

[Meffy]

Skaven, most people who have posted on the Reason boards about the Props' drum refill thought it was excellent. Some waxed quite rhapsodic, in fact. :-) I've got plenty of drums but if not I'd almost certainly buy it.

[Stupid American Pig]

I also recommend the downloadable sonic refills available on the props site.

Mello-T and Vintage keyboards are good, and the vocal samples are ok. But you can buy them at 3 for two prices... (59 bucks)

[MDMAchine]

On it's own it's pretty unuseable down to the sequencer, but with rewire it's pretty damn good. I don't see why everyone is knocking Reason. If you were all honest you'd see it's potential as a learning tool, and as a professional sound creator in it's own right.

I agreee, no reason (pardon the pun) to really bash it. And in reason's defence I know quite a few guys who use nothing but reason, and swear by it.

No I will say that sometimes you can tell a reason subtractor ond/or malstrom from a mile away. But with time working on it you can usually do something to get that tinny sound out of there.

I used reason 2.5 and would i go back and use 3? Persoanlly no.. I still occasioanlly use 2.5 rewired, and the mastering tools dont "float my boat" for $150.

But its not bad either...

I had moved away from reason a while back when 2.5 wasnt doing what I needed done anymore.

Refil's are pretty good (have ahave quite a few) althoug in the end they sound like any other drum loop pack, which isnt a bad thing. Just you can prolly get a cheaper CD and rex them up yourself and get the same deal, and I personally never touch any synth oriented refills.

But as been said reason is decent, i would try before you buy if you never used it. Its standalone-ness still is a drawback to me. I still think if it had VST suppoert (If I recal they cant bacause fo something with steinberg?) it would kick ass!

MD

[Trusty]

When you think about it, Reason is about the price of a decent Casio keyboard. I wouldn't expect a pro album to be recorded exclusively in Reason. That's a bit silly actually.

Wasn't the latest Beastie Boys album mostly, if not entirely, composed with Reason?

[Stupid American Pig]

And if you dont like it then Hey F**k YOU!