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Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Sun May 22, 2005 2:11 pm

If man have rasberrie and banana, what does he have?

Rangtangtang · Post by **Rangtangtang** » Sun May 22, 2005 2:17 pm

Can I have a piece of your moma's pie?

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Sun May 22, 2005 2:40 pm

tkay77 wrote:.. i never understood why he shifted towards punk and rockmusic and eventually began to sing ..i mean there are enough bad rock band out there, we don´t need more....i think that´s a common phenomenon when people are getting popular and see their face on TV too often they think they can do everything...he should chuck away his guitars and go back to electronic music...

tkay

I believe he started out playing guitar in a punkband, so it would have been more correct to say those things about his electronic stuff - you can tell I used to actually pay attention to the guy all those years ago - now I just find him to be a crashing bore... but hey, there are worse things

tkay77 · Post by **tkay77** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:00 pm

I believe he started out playing guitar in a punkband

...do you mean "Vatican Commandoes"..finally it took him 10 years to realize that punk is dead...

tkay

munchkin · Post by **munchkin** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:01 pm

This thread started off bitchin about Moby and by the end of it you're all praising his songs and saying he a decent bloke. Talk about fickle. Make yer minds up!

Moby's a great big flaming bald helmet who doesn't even make most of his music and gets his geeky assistants to 'research' it for him. But 'Go' isn't too bad...

Rabid · Post by **Rabid** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:04 pm

Yep. But then I feel that way abuot most music created with a mouse instead of an instrument.

Jbravo · Post by **Jbravo** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:06 pm

tranel wrote:
Jbravo wrote:generic shuffly beats loop + some super-syrupy chords + some random tinkly piano riffs + a gospel vocal sample = another moby hit!
Maybe other people can say something similar about your own music? Maybe your music is as repetitive/formulaic to them as Moby's is to you?

well if it is, then I'd be surprised to find myself selling the same number of records or being as highly regarded. In fact I might feel a bit disappointed in myself that I'd set my sights so low.

tranel wrote:The man has found a concept that obviously works, people buy it, and he has managed to build up a more or less loyal fan base. That's one helluva lot more than most of us on this forum has managed.

so has the crazy frog

tranel wrote:Oh, and in this discussion there is a lot of "ordinary tone-deaf mortals like him, but we enlightened MUSICIANS understand better", which IMHO calls for a slight reality check. In my experience, there is a vast crowd out there who call themselves "musicians" and "producers" because they've dabbled with Reason for a year, know how to drop Wav-loops into a sequencer, and play a few one-finger notes on a 25-key midi keyboard.

I agree, condescension and superiority is not attractive, but I think that any artist that deserves respect is one that pushes himself to create more accomplished and sophisticated work, not one that sells out to the lowest common denominator. It might make lots of money but then so does accountancy so I've heard. I think someone serious about their music needs to be critical of others from a purely academic viewpoint in order to raise the bar and to help us all strive to be the best we can irrespective of what would sell the most units. This forum is populated mostly by musicians of one sort or another so I think it's only healthy and good that we're having this discussion - it doesn't necessarily have to be personal or just bitching. You either have these criticisms and want to make the best possible music, or you set your expectations so low that nobody deserves criticism and we end up with a climate where the crazy frog is considered the height of sophistication...

Failed Muso · Post by **Failed Muso** » Sun May 22, 2005 3:08 pm

A very good interview with Moby this month in UK magazine Future Music. An interesting read.

Steven West · Post by **Steven West** » Sun May 22, 2005 5:16 pm

munchkin wrote:This thread started off bitchin about Moby and by the end of it you're all praising his songs and saying he a decent bloke. Talk about fickle. Make yer minds up!

Moby's a great big flaming bald helmet who doesn't even make most of his music and gets his geeky assistants to 'research' it for him. But 'Go' isn't too bad...

Think you must have him confussed with Fatboy Slim?

plastique · Post by **plastique** » Sun May 22, 2005 5:23 pm

deggy wrote:Does anyone else find Moby's music to be highly over-rated

technically , yes .
musically , maybe .

hello1234 · Post by **hello1234** » Sun May 22, 2005 6:12 pm

deggy wrote:
eyeknow666 wrote:Although I certainly have no right to critisize (spelling?) him, I am kinda wondering where he came from.....ya know.......roots and all. He has a big following/name but I persoanlly don't get it.

More power to him............shit.......wish I coudl get recognized and be a biggie.............
I think he was part of the rave scene in New York in the early 90s

Oh, well that would explain some things.........

deggy · Post by **deggy** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:03 am

tkay77 wrote:
I believe he started out playing guitar in a punkband
...do you mean "Vatican Commandoes"..finally it took him 10 years to realize that punk is dead...

tkay

oh yeah, I forgot about that. I never heard their music but he always wears Black Flag and Minor Threat t-shirts on stage all the time and when we saw him with Bowie, he played guitar over all of his tracks which sounded kinda cool. I hate to say it but the live show did sound cool. However, he did, after all, hire a bunch of great players and I'm sure there's a nice fat track behind them. Even so, the live show was cool. I also have to admit, the oldscore breakbeat hardcore stuff did sound better than it did on the CDs for many reasons (he did improve some of the sounds he used, the guitar bass strings (which were barely in the mix at the show I wen to) drums and other percussion filled up the mix nicely and the players/singers had some great solos/parts that don't appear on the old records). So, I do have to give the guy some credit. Also, it is cool that he has no problems breakin into the oldschool electro-hardcore when everyone today avoids it like the plague (not that breakbeat hardcore is great music but its fun to hear over large soundsystems). It would have been cool to see him back in the day on tour with Prodigy or Aphex Twin and at some massive European parties.

About the punk stuff, I wonder what Greg Ginn, Ian Mckay or Henry Rollins thinks about Moby always wearing their T-shirts on stage all the time (not like it matters, its just kinda funny).

renø · Post by **renø** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:15 am

deggy wrote:Does anyone else find Moby's music to be highly over-rated?

i do.

Krakatau wrote:By my side, i feel that most of the best-selling musics are highly overrated

second that too.

digitalmessiah · Post by **digitalmessiah** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:40 am

r3nø wrote:
deggy wrote:Does anyone else find Moby's music to be highly over-rated?

1) i do. i think he's overrated.
2) one time, i saw him on sharon osbourne's show and the guy looks like a dork. he even talks like a dork.
3) of all the titles/album titles in the whole world, his are the most plainish and simpliest

. he calls his album 18 because there's 18 songs on it. brilliant.

. then there's play and now hotel.

to moby: may i suggest that the next your next album is be called "be". and may i suggest these song titles on your next album. 1) Tree 2) Be 3) You 4) Hand 5) Only 6) More 7) Does 8.) Plain 9) Simple 10) See

deggy · Post by **deggy** » Mon May 23, 2005 1:43 am

digitalmessiah wrote:
r3nø wrote:
deggy wrote: 3) of all the titles/album titles in the whole world, his are the most plainish and simpliest . he calls his album 18 because there's 18 songs on it. brilliant. . then there's play and now hotel.

i think the title "everything is Wrong" is hilarious. it's like a title for some pretentious art-school film by a wannabe warhol