KVR Radio station.

[Glooper]

Oh this sounds like an interesting idea.

Okay.. I reckon that a small show should be done first as a trial.. maybe a 4 hour a show a week, that can be played on demand. That way the radio's format and show ideas can be tried out. This way all the teething problems can be sorted out, before ramping up to a full radio station.

On a technical side of things. Does realtime streaming not use multicast?. if it does then bandwidth at the server end will be fixed? Though I'm guessing the internet backbone supresses multicast?

This is a good idea... but somone here needs to take charge of the project and form a committee of knowledgable people that all have the required skills. I'd be happy to help with some bits and pieces.

Ben

[Glooper]

okay.. multicast isn't an option.. just been checking and most ISP's don't support it..

The BBC are running trials at the moment and are thus trying to encourage more ISP's to do so... Unfortunetly NTL don't!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/broadband/info/multicast.shtml

So I guess we'e stuck with Unicast and thus would have to keep the numbers down.. but that easily done.. just provide the link to KVR members only... or just in one post.. hidden away somewhere..

Ben

[xander]

Oh this sounds like an interesting idea.

Okay.. I reckon that a small show should be done first as a trial.. maybe a 4 hour a show a week, that can be played on demand. That way the radio's format and show ideas can be tried out. This way all the teething problems can be sorted out, before ramping up to a full radio station.

Good suggestion. Seconded!

On a technical side of things. Does realtime streaming not use multicast?. if it does then bandwidth at the server end will be fixed? Though I'm guessing the internet backbone supresses multicast?

No -- Not as a rule. Sure -- your local ISP won't let you, but a studio stream to a multicast host is no worries. Check out anyone of a dozen "multicast hosting sites' listed on Google.

This is a good idea... but somone here needs to take charge of the project and form a committee of knowledgable people that all have the required skills. I'd be happy to help with some bits and pieces.

Right on.

[vurt]

thing is does kvr need a radio station?
i mean if i want to listen to the tracks by people here they are already available to me,no?
ie what will a radio station add to kvr? or will it now detract from people listening in the cafe so much and commenting?
also looking at funding aspects,if muse where to offer capital what would be the benefits to muse/kvr? (same goes for other companys)
its already been said "nothing is free" and this includes funding.
if however were looking at greater audiences how exactly are we going to tempt them in,and then continue to drag em back?
personally i think it would need a much bigger playlist than kvr has to offer to keep it interesting enough to last?not sure if that means approaching other forums and net labels or actually paying royalties for published stuff?

[jmh]

Well... I see it like this: instead of hunting down peoples' work in various threads, I could simply log on to Radio KVR when it's broadcasting. I would also most likely hear material I wouldn't necessarily download otherwise (I do check out some of the stuff, but that's from people whose style/genre/thing I know beforehand...).

That's the way I'm visioning this thing. "From KVR to KVR"

But I'll let others share their visions on this thing.

Regards,

JMH

[kevink]

thing is does kvr need a radio station?
i mean if i want to listen to the tracks by people here they are already available to me,no?

How many do you listen to per day/week? I've probably downloaded all of half a dozen .MP3s by KVRists so far this year. I am interested enough in what people here do where I could easily imagine leaving my media player streaming Radio KVR as background music while I work, but certainly not interested enough where I'm going to punctuate my day seeking out material and clicking on links.

[vurt]

fair enough,let me first say im not against the idea,just unfotunately i have a habit of looking at downsides of everything,on the other hand if the downsides get cleared up then its cool for everyone.
guess what im saying is as with any project id rather see the faults before they happen and find ways of ironing them out for smoother futures

[vurt]

thing is does kvr need a radio station?
i mean if i want to listen to the tracks by people here they are already available to me,no?

How many do you listen to per day/week? I've probably downloaded all of half a dozen .MP3s by KVRists so far this year. I am interested enough in what people here do where I could easily imagine leaving my media player streaming Radio KVR as background music while I work, but certainly not interested enough where I'm going to punctuate my day seeking out material and clicking on links.

personally i listen to everything normally,recently tho due to heavy project this end i havent been keeping up,but in this time i also would not have a radio on as im stuck in this project.but when not hard at it i generally catch every track

[dburgan]

A few suggestions, coming from someone who is running a net radio station right now:

1. Know thy audience. Audiences do not tune in to hear a random assortment of tunes. They tune in to hear tunes in the genre they like. Some amount of genre specificity is probably going to be required.

2. Document your rights. You *must* have rights to broadcast this material or you are seriously risking your hiney. Just saying "it's the deejay's responsibility" will not even slow the copyright cops down from suing your pants off if they get a mind to. They'll sue everyone who is associated with it and sort the wheat from the chaff out later. If you have not documented your permissions, then I strongly suggest you purchase the SoundExchange license. This is not cheap.

I'm happy to see a KvR station in the works! Just bear in mind that my station (www.stillstream.com) already plays all the KvR ambient artists (that I'm aware of at least), so this is already happening to a small extent. But all the other genres need a venue too ... anyway hope it happens for ya!

[kevink]

...Audiences do not tune in to hear a random assortment of tunes. They tune in to hear tunes in the genre they like. Some amount of genre specificity is probably going to be required.

The favored San Francisco area college station for myself and most of my friends when I was living there years ago was KFJC, because while what they played was almost always hip and very often obscure, they very strongly discouraged their DJ's from getting into a "Bob's Reggae Hour"/"Betty's Country Kitchen" format, and you really never knew what was going to happen next.

And, while not as great as in their glory days, perhaps, they're still doing it - and on web radio!
http://www.kfjc.org/netcast/index.php

[Glooper]

so is anything gonna happen?



Ben

[xander]

vurt raised some rather valid points.

Sure, you're going to need some sort of business case/model.

You could play all the Best of KVR contest winners -- there's a fair bit there.

But is there really enough material?

Perhaps it would need to be augmented with *other* songs out there, in which case a Sound Exchange liscense is essential, so who'll pay for that?

Personally, I'd listen to it and I'd also still comment on people's songs in the cafe. But would everyone else?

I sure like KVR the way it is and would HATE to see it change.

So -- a lot of things to think about.

[Techbot]

US law recently passed allows small internet broadcasters to operate without paying royalites until a certain 'mutually profitable' business can establish itself.

Can we get a link to more info on this?
Would it have any relevance internationally?
And can we get a link to info on the exchange license,again with relevance to international procedure?

I think it is still info gathering time. Certain models are proving to be more feasable than others. But lets keep an open mind.

As for the amount of music at our disposal. If I may be so bold.
This is the DJ's dilemma and the DJ's skill. This is not a project for musicians. Now I don't mean musicians can't partake, of course they can but they will be utilising different skills. The research, tracking down non copyrighted material, Tracklisting, themes, the sense of movement, the ambiance etc are what will make a good show. If a Dj is worth his salt, he'll find the material.

I am not in favour of auto playlisting- it could be used to fill in the gaps.If there are any gaps!!

Thanks to everyone who has posted!!!!!

[dburgan]

Do a search on SoundExchange ... there is information out there about it. I *think* that one must be registered as a non-profit to be exempt from SoundExchange licensing fees, but I don't recall exactly.

Also note that the artist can grant direct permission to the radio station if they desire, thus exempting the station from paying SoundExchange for that artist's materials.

[Techbot]

Hi Guys!

Hey Jmh, How soon before we could start testing server etc?