Oh boy, another VA synth. This time from Waves!

[vurt]

40 pages so far, Waves must be happy with that.

Jeff and xoxos too

Funny thing is that the full name is not even mentioned in the thread title yet...

they should change the name, as it already exists.

[Kriminal]

40 pages so far, Waves must be happy with that.

Jeff and xoxos too

Funny thing is that the full name is not even mentioned in the thread title yet...

they should change the name, as it already exists.

Im very surprised they didnt check....or maybe they did and thought "f**k it"

If i was xoxos i would make a complaint.

[Ingonator]

they should change the name, as it already exists.

I think that the discussions about SE code in Waves Element and the Xoxos plugin are enough now.

The Xoxos plugin is a sampler/wav player so they are also not really close features wise. I also don't see it listed at the official website anymore:
http://www.xoxos.net/vst/vst.html


Ingo

[vurt]

they should change the name, as it already exists.

I think that the discussions about SE code in Waves Element and the Xoxos plugin are enough now.

The Xoxos plugin is a sampler/wav player so they are also not really close features wise.


Ingo

if it was the other way around xoxos would have got a cease and desist from waves lawyers before page 1 even finished here.

by your reckoning, if i code a synth, i can ccall it ppg or largo or oxium, so long as i make sure the feathures are different? would that be acceptable?

also, i didnt mention, nor care about se code. i do however care about fair play and i feel waves arent really playing fair.

[Kriminal]

they should change the name, as it already exists.

I think that the discussions about SE code in Waves Element and the Xoxos plugin are enough now.

nobody mentioned SE

they should change the name, as it already exists.

I think that the discussions about SE code in Waves Element and the Xoxos plugin are enough now.

The Xoxos plugin is a sampler/wav player so they are also not really close features wise. I also don't see it listed at the official website anymore:
http://www.xoxos.net/vst/vst.html


Ingo

they are both VST's, its pretty simple really

Google search for 'element vst' brings up xoxs as first two results

http://www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&tbo=d&ou ... 80&bih=822

[george]

I don't think "Element" can by copyrighted. Perhaps "Waves Element", still... it differs from "Xoxos Element". But I won't bet on the later if there's a lawsuit going on.

[Ingonator]

they should change the name, as it already exists.

I think that the discussions about SE code in Waves Element and the Xoxos plugin are enough now.

The Xoxos plugin is a sampler/wav player so they are also not really close features wise.


Ingo

if it was the other way around xoxos would have got a cease and desist from waves lawyers before page 1 even finished here.

by your reckoning, if i code a synth, i can ccall it ppg or largo or oxium, so long as i make sure the feathures are different? would that be acceptable?

also, i didnt mention, nor care about se code. i do however care about fair play and i feel waves arent really playing fair.

1.) So how do you know they didn't ask at Xoxos
2.) Element is a common word found in a dictionary (it's both a german and english word...) so it could not be copyrighted i guess
3.) There are several plugins that use "PPG" somehow
4.) Oxium is an imaginary name that AFAIK did not exist before.
5.) Xoxoxs element seems to be a Open Source license so i am not sure about the copyrigh
6.) As already mentioned element does not seem to be listed at the xoxos website. The only download link i found seems to be at the KVR database.


Ingo

[george]

6.) As already mentioned element does not seem to be listed at the xoxos website. The only download link i found seems to be at the KVR database.

Deleting Xoxos Element from the database would suffice then, or maybe tagging it as "unavailable".

[Kriminal]

2.) Element is a common word found in a dictionary (it's both a german and english word...) so it could not be copyrighted i guess

so is Jupiter and Juno, lets see how far you get if you build a synth with that name....

[Ingonator]

Xoxos Element was released at October of last year:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=361375

Guy (the Waves Element dev) mentioned Waves Element was developed over two years so the question is who used the name first...


Ingo

[vurt]

I don't think "Element" can by copyrighted. Perhaps "Waves Element", still... it differs from "Xoxos Element". But I won't bet on the later if there's a lawsuit going on.

if it does come to a lawsuit, id imagine waves have a lot more power than xoxos. which is a shame and why i feel the need to support him, its not fair that companies with money always win, just because they can afford it.

[george]

2.) Element is a common word found in a dictionary (it's both a german and english word...) so it could not be copyrighted i guess

so is Jupiter and Juno, lets see how far you get if you build a synth with that name....

I think it has to do with Juno word trademarked as international brand. I admit the © and ™ thing is very complex.

But as Kriminal said, you better not mess with Roland

Guy (the dev) mentioned Waves Element was developed over two years so the question is who used the name first…

Sometimes it's not about that but who paid for the trademark first. Sad but true.

[george]

I don't think "Element" can by copyrighted. Perhaps "Waves Element", still... it differs from "Xoxos Element". But I won't bet on the later if there's a lawsuit going on.

if it does come to a lawsuit, id imagine waves have a lot more power than xoxos. which is a shame and why i feel the need to support him, its not fair that companies with money always win, just because they can afford it.

From my father real estate experience, it's *always* better to deal an agreement instead going to court.

[Ingonator]

2.) Element is a common word found in a dictionary (it's both a german and english word...) so it could not be copyrighted i guess

so is Jupiter and Juno, lets see how far you get if you build a synth with that name....

I think it has to do with Juno word trademarked as international brand. I admit the © and ™ thing is very complex.

i don't think the name "Juno" is copyrighted, there is even a movie with that name. It gets problematic if you use the name for a synth and even more if it is an emulation of the real thing.
There is also a brand called Jupiter that produces e.g. Trumpets. They evene use "JP" in their model names:
http://www.thomann.de/de/jupiter_trompeten.html

This whole discussion seems to get hilarious for me...



Ingo

[vurt]

1.) So how do you know they didn't ask at Xoxos
Ingo

i dont, so i have asked him.

the rest of your points dont make sense.