I'd say it's as likely as your ISP, or electricity provider going broke tomorrow.braj wrote:So, you aren't sure thenchk071 wrote:I'm sure they won't do that from one day to the other...braj wrote:Also, how do you know they won't just pull the plug at some stage when they find it isn't working for them, and leave you with equity in synths that you can't spend?
you forgot that you have to pay rent for the DAW, the audio card, the keyboard controller,DuX wrote:Next stage: you're going to be able to rent a computer, while living in a rented place, so you can rent an OS to work with and rent all the programs you work with. Great future. I love renting stuff!At the end of the month you get just enough of your wage to pay for the popcorn for the whole month.
And on paper it looks very enticing. But it is NOT.
very well said.DuX wrote: People who support this stuff... politely said - think about it once more. Think really hard if you have to. Please. Don't support the BS. In the long run it takes away far more of your hard earned money.
good lord...chk071 wrote:I'd say it's as likely as your ISP, or electricity provider going broke tomorrow.braj wrote:So, you aren't sure thenchk071 wrote:I'm sure they won't do that from one day to the other...braj wrote:Also, how do you know they won't just pull the plug at some stage when they find it isn't working for them, and leave you with equity in synths that you can't spend?
Adobe Cloud a great success? What do you base that on?rezoneight wrote:Folks, the software industry is moving towards this model because it makes sense. It brings in a constant revenue stream where single sales do not anymore. All of this "discussion" happened when Adobe did the same thing with their products and guess what? People complained a lot about how they didn't want to pay a monthly fee for Adobe but nonetheless it was a great success because lots of other people like the convenience of having access to a an expanding and supported catalog of products for a given monthly fee. This same discussion happened when streaming music services started. Funny how now they've basically replaced the old model. It's the same reason so much iOS software is now ad driven.
It's ridiculous to try to make arguments about cost vs. single purchase options. For the $20 a month you get access to an expanding (not static) set of plugins you can choose to use at any time. There is simply no math that is going to make that equatable to a single purchase of a u-He plugin. Is the system perfect? No but the beautiful thing about a constant revenue stream is it gives them incentive to fix things that are broken (as they have already done). Complain (nicely) about that stuff because they're most likely going to listen but complaining about the way they are pricing it? That's just farting in a breeze.
So you don't know Roland's history regarding their software products? Googling abandonware should give Roland in the top 10 results!chk071 wrote:I'm sure they won't do that from one day to the other...braj wrote:Also, how do you know they won't just pull the plug at some stage when they find it isn't working for them, and leave you with equity in synths that you can't spend?
Fortunately, this isn't just Roland. If it was "just" Roland I wouldn't trust it, but since there is another part involved, which took over the development (I know this isn't confirmed yet, but is my conviction) I have more trust in this.T-CM11 wrote:So you don't know Roland's history regarding their software products? Googling abandonware should give Roland in the top 10 results!chk071 wrote:I'm sure they won't do that from one day to the other...braj wrote:Also, how do you know they won't just pull the plug at some stage when they find it isn't working for them, and leave you with equity in synths that you can't spend?
If that other party, which likely has far less capital, folds, what happens to the service then? That is my concern. If it were just Roland, they at least could eat a percentage of the loss if it supports their plugout synth business. I don't see how having this split helps the consumer either, already we see plugins and plugouts out of sync.fmr wrote:Fortunately, this isn't just Roland. If it was "just" Roland I wouldn't trust it, but since there is another part involved, which took over the development (I know this isn't confirmed yet, but is my conviction) I have more trust in this.T-CM11 wrote:So you don't know Roland's history regarding their software products? Googling abandonware should give Roland in the top 10 results!chk071 wrote:I'm sure they won't do that from one day to the other...braj wrote:Also, how do you know they won't just pull the plug at some stage when they find it isn't working for them, and leave you with equity in synths that you can't spend?
rezoneight wrote:Folks, the software industry is moving towards this model because it makes sense. It brings in a constant revenue stream where single sales do not anymore. All of this "discussion" happened when Adobe did the same thing with their products and guess what? People complained a lot about how they didn't want to pay a monthly fee for Adobe but nonetheless it was a great success because lots of other people like the convenience of having access to a an expanding and supported catalog of products for a given monthly fee. This same discussion happened when streaming music services started. Funny how now they've basically replaced the old model. It's the same reason so much iOS software is now ad driven.
It's ridiculous to try to make arguments about cost vs. single purchase options. For the $20 a month you get access to an expanding (not static) set of plugins you can choose to use at any time. There is simply no math that is going to make that equatable to a single purchase of a u-He plugin. Is the system perfect? No but the beautiful thing about a constant revenue stream is it gives them incentive to fix things that are broken (as they have already done). Complain (nicely) about that stuff because they're most likely going to listen but complaining about the way they are pricing it? That's just farting in a breeze.
Their 1 and 5 year stock price. Their earnings reports. Have you looked at those? I suspect not.T-CM11 wrote:Adobe Cloud a great success? What do you base that on?
That doesn't invalidate that it's a success.T-CM11 wrote:I'm pretty sure my guess is better as yours (me being a prepress professional). It's a "success" in the professional world because they bought up all the competition and companies previously just buying their software have nowhere left to go.
Why would most non graphics professionals need to buy the full thing? That makes no sense whatsoever. I know a *ton* of non-professionals however who buy the Photographers plan (me included). That also doesn't mean the model isn't a success.T-CM11 wrote:I'm pretty sure few non-professionals buy into their cloud --- why not? Because it's so expensive. They'll keep using their old version, find an alternative or *maybe* rent one/few of Adobe's products - never/rarely the full Cloud package.
I have no doubt some people like to buy music and movies. I'm one of them. But the amount of music I buy these days is far,far less than what I used to. Why? Because if I want a full album I've just paid one month's fee for being able to stream that album plus millions of other songs. Gee what a tough decision that is.T-CM11 wrote:And comparing it with streaming music/video is hardly valid. Those just replace/improve on something that existed for decades: radio/TV. (A lot of) people that are passionate about music or film still like buying and not just renting. And plenty of artists swear by physical releases - does it matter that you or the average Joe's never heard about them. I poop on the music industry and their "major labels".
I agree that nobody has an endless budget for subs. But then again nobody has an endless budget for "single" payments of software either. Amazing how we all need to budget our money.T-CM11 wrote:And maybe many years from now, many audio software developers will jump on the Cloud ship... Who knows? All I know is that most people don't have an endless budget to collect subscriptions. It could be a bubble waiting to burst.
For installing and updating plugins you need the Roland Cloud Manager:braj wrote:OK< I just created an account for the trial, but how do I download the instruments, do I actually have to 'subscribe' first? It is a bit confusing.
Or, do you have to 'subscribe' to do the trial and give them your credit info?
There is an old expression about those who don't learn from history are bound to repeat it. Not saying that will happen here but it sounds like one should not say it is an impossibility. It is certainly more plausible than a local utility going belly up.chk071 wrote:Well, it's pure speculation either way, isn't it? Now is now.
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