KVR Audio

greedy.mf · Post by **greedy.mf** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:19 pm

Did anyone purchase off JRR Shop?
I still didn't get my redeem code for Plugivery (stupid name tbh) for 6 hours.
Getting tired of those noise waves

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:23 pm

It might be in your account... log into the JRR site, and check your account for your keys.

sqigls · Post by **sqigls** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 4:31 pm

greedy.mf wrote:
sqigls wrote: Distortion Post HP/LP shouldn't filter the signal if the MIX knob is at 0% ?
Manual says that's an intended behaviour. However I find in strange, I'd rather have filters for WET output only to deal with distortion harmonics in isolation.

yeah i don't see the point of having low/high pass filters for a 0% signal, i'd rather get the extreme distortion how i want it to sound (along with the HP/LP), then blend it in with the undistorted signal.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 6:05 pm

When using the Arp, the Amp Env Release settings have no effect. In the Audio Clip first you'll hear Hive playing a simple arp and notice how it plays on after release due to the release amount. Then you'll hear Thorn which cuts off immediately when notes are released even though the release amount is high. I notice this whether Optimize Polyphony is activated or not.

https://sites.google.com/site/teksonik/ ... ects=0&d=1

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:20 pm

Teksonik wrote:When using the Arp, the Amp Env Release settings have no effect. In the Audio Clip first you'll hear Hive playing a simple arp and notice how it plays on after release due to the release amount. Then you'll hear Thorn which cuts off immediately when notes are released even though the release amount is high. I notice this whether Optimize Polyphony is activated or not.

https://sites.google.com/site/teksonik/ ... ects=0&d=1

I've also experienced a similar issue, but I wouldn't say that the release stage of the amp envelope has no effect, but rather the sustain stage of the amp envelope has no effect, which seems to be directly attributed to the "Gate" faders in the Arpeggiator. I don't have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with the way that the velocity faders communicate with the amp envelope.

I want the Velocity faders in the arp to attenuate the loudness of each note...but you can only do that if you turn velocity sensitivity almost all the way up in the amp envelope. But I don't want incoming velocity to attenuate the loudness of the amp itself. It feels too sensitive.

Because of this, I ended up using the MSEG to attenuate the volume of the oscillators instead. I tried to modulate the volume of the oscillator with Velocity with no velocity sensitivity on the amp envelope, which worked, but there was obviously no release, which sounded too steppy for me, so I turned to the MSEGs.

Only problem with that is the MSEGs don't seem to have the same "snappy" behavior that the envelopes do.

Stefken · Post by **Stefken** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:48 pm

izonin wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:
izonin wrote:GUI looks fine. Dmitry definitely did a fine job here. What bothers me is the sound... those scratchy oscillators! Same as Zeta2 and Waves Element, like fingernails on a chalkboard.
Not sure what you mean. I don't know about Zeta 2, but Element didn't sound like fingernails on a chalkboard to me. If any synth sounded like that, who would buy it?
IDK maybe my ears are just too sensitive. Literally couldn't listen through Thorn's audio demo, had to stop it after the first 30 or so seconds. Downloaded the demo version and Span confirmed what I heard - abrasive high frequencies.

The other two synths I mentioned have these distorted high freqs too, but in a lesser degree.

Yes, to my ears not exactely the warmest synth around. I won't be using this synth for pads. Where it excels for me is punchy basses, stabs, rhythmic stuff and experimentation.

For the sheer fun though, I'll take the sound as it is, use it where it excels and if needed warm it up with a couple of insert effects.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:27 pm

Just a heads up: if one imports samples formatted other than 44.1 Khz, the pitch will be off by almost half a semitone, Thorn does not provide sample rate conversion. I noticed as I just imported some wavs at 48 Khz which is my goto format. Avenger had the sample problem on release, it got fixed later, as far as I remember, Diversion does not have this problem, I'll check again.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:33 pm

Importing harmonic filter shapes from wav files yields some fantastic results I must say.

plexuss · Post by **plexuss** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:33 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Just a heads up: if one imports samples formatted other than 44.1 Khz, the pitch will be off by almost half a semitone, Thorn does not provide sample rate conversion. I noticed as I just imported some wavs at 48 Khz which is my goto format. Avenger had the sample problem on release, it got fixed later, as far as I remember, Diversion does not have this problem, I'll check again.

That really sucks. I often work in 44.1k and then change the project rate to 96k when I bounce for optimial quality. Too many plugins don't support different project rates which is not a best practice at all.

UPDATE: Dmitry is aware of the problem with imported waves not working properly at different rates and he will fix it. He said that Thorn otherwise works properly/consistentiy in different rates.

shonky · Post by **shonky** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:37 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:Importing harmonic filter shapes from wav files yields some fantastic results I must say.

Noticed you do this on one of the vids you posted the other day and after tinkering with the more familiar sound design bits read through the manual today and found how to do this. Noice

Think this one's a keeper for sure...

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 9:42 pm

shonky wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Importing harmonic filter shapes from wav files yields some fantastic results I must say.
Noticed you do this on one of the vids you posted the other day and after tinkering with the more familiar sound design bits read through the manual today and found how to do this. Noice

Think this one's a keeper for sure...

Actually not in the videos, that was importing wavs into the oscillator for creating spectral content/wavetables, but the harmonic filter has the same feature which is awesome. Yet the individual partials are cumbersome to edit if one really wants to get into detail, there is a huge lag when dragging individual partials with the mouse.

morphex · Post by **morphex** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 10:12 pm

My first thoughts are that this would be great for those who love psytrance and that harmonic filter is a beast. The glitch sequencer was way more fun than I thought it would be, too!! I would say to not just judge this by the presets. It can go way deeper with some time and a little creativity.

- M

Sound Author · Post by **Sound Author** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:26 pm

Sampleconstruct wrote:
shonky wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Importing harmonic filter shapes from wav files yields some fantastic results I must say.
Noticed you do this on one of the vids you posted the other day and after tinkering with the more familiar sound design bits read through the manual today and found how to do this. Noice

Think this one's a keeper for sure...
Actually not in the videos, that was importing wavs into the oscillator for creating spectral content/wavetables, but the harmonic filter has the same feature which is awesome. Yet the individual partials are cumbersome to edit if one really wants to get into detail, there is a huge lag when dragging individual partials with the mouse.

I asked Dmitry about that. He says that the bars in the harmonic editor (in the harmonic filter) aren't a good representation of the logarithmic curve under the hood, which is why harmonics become more and more difficult to manually adjust the higher up you go.

Sampleconstruct · Post by **Sampleconstruct** » Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:42 pm

Sound Author wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:
shonky wrote:
Sampleconstruct wrote:Importing harmonic filter shapes from wav files yields some fantastic results I must say.
Noticed you do this on one of the vids you posted the other day and after tinkering with the more familiar sound design bits read through the manual today and found how to do this. Noice

Think this one's a keeper for sure...
Actually not in the videos, that was importing wavs into the oscillator for creating spectral content/wavetables, but the harmonic filter has the same feature which is awesome. Yet the individual partials are cumbersome to edit if one really wants to get into detail, there is a huge lag when dragging individual partials with the mouse.
I asked Dmitry about that. He says that the bars in the harmonic editor (in the harmonic filter) aren't a good representation of the logarithmic curve under the hood, which is why harmonics become more and more difficult to manually adjust the higher up you go.

Ahh, thanks for clarifying!

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:49 am

Piano, bass and drums with 5 instances of Thorn and 4 instances of Spectral on this one. Was in the middle of a Christian Rock CD so came up with this one. Even got the synth name in the title.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... va-on-lead

Thorn In The Side Of The Lord

Ain't a day go by
Where I do not try
To show my God how much I love him
Ain't a breath I don't take
Ain't a move I don't make
To show my God there's no one above him

I poke at him and prod at him
I never leave him be
I grab onto and just like glue
I let him know just how much he means to me

I will be the thorn in the side of the Lord
Singing out his name I do dare proclaim
I will be the thorn in the side of the Lord
Praying everyday for my soul to save
I will be the thorn in the side of the Lord
Come what may

I will keep at it
And I will not quit
To show my God that he's the one Lord
I will stand my ground
With a joyous sound
Because life without him I just can't afford

I whisper in his ear all day
I constantly profess
I get down on my hands and knees
I let him know that all my sins I do confess

Repeat Chorus 2x

Thorn: Dmitry Sches' new synth!