Roland Cloud

[sheaf]

Does anyone have a solution for the menace that is Roland Cloud Manager? When I start Windows it takes up 10GB of my RAM and at times hogs my CPU. I just kill the process everytime I start Windows but that's getting annoying. Removing it from auto-startup doesn't work, because everytime I use one the Roland plugins it reinserts itself like some piece of malware.

I tried just deleting Roland Cloud Manager.exe, and that worked for a while, but after a couple of weeks the plugins need to reauthorize and then it needs RCM again.

[Examigan]

Anyway, SRX instrument use the JV-1080 as a base, NOT the XV-5080. THAT is correct

SRXs, JV-1080 and XV-5080 are all running the same engine so they're essentially different variations of the same plugin. The only difference between the JV, XV, SRXs vst is the number of patches and waveforms. They all have the original 1083 waveforms of the XV-5080 for instance.

From the information I gathered by looking at Roland romplers manuals, this JV/XV/SRX plugin seems to be based on the early 00s era Fantom-X engine (which is basically the XV-5080 engine with a different MFX section). So the 78 MFXs section in the VST matches the one in the old Fantom, the PCM engine matches too (including stereo wave tones - this feature didn't exist on the JV-1080), same with tone structures, filter types, modulations and matrix controls, etc.

I forgot the JV-1080 is basically the same as the XV-5080 minus a bunch of presets. I was thinking of getting the 1080 but I already have the 5080.

[JamminFool]

Does anyone have a solution for the menace that is Roland Cloud Manager? When I start Windows it takes up 10GB of my RAM and at times hogs my CPU. I just kill the process everytime I start Windows but that's getting annoying. Removing it from auto-startup doesn't work, because everytime I use one the Roland plugins it reinserts itself like some piece of malware.

I tried just deleting Roland Cloud Manager.exe, and that worked for a while, but after a couple of weeks the plugins need to reauthorize and then it needs RCM again.

in Windows, turn off RCMServiceStart in Settings>Apps>Startup.

[PAK]

thanks for clarifying mine looks like this

so if i might want more i will jpoing the P4L then. so this should be a new 10 instruments hopefully

Yes, anything under Loyalty Rewards should not count towards the 10 Play4Life key limit. You might want to confirm that with RC Customer Service before spending any money though, since you'd want to know that Roland's applying these policies with consistency!

Re - Why give some users more keys than others etc? The whole system seems a bit like they were making it up as they went along - what with the change from Loyalty Rewards to Play4Life, and the fact that their own website won’t show Zenology Lifetime keys either (Which is a likely indicator of when the main website back end code was done - IE many years prior, before they offered Zenology keys as an option.. )

Not properly showing you the things you own (the lack of proper indicators in the Cloud Manager software also leaves a lot to be desired too), a failure to fix long standing bugs in plugins, allowing some users more than 10 keys via subscription but not others, a lack of regular new plugins to help justify a subscription model etc - all of these things are, perhaps, not the best ways to help inspire user confidence.

[Caine123]

thanks for clarifying mine looks like this

so if i might want more i will jpoing the P4L then. so this should be a new 10 instruments hopefully

Yes, anything under Loyalty Rewards should not count towards the 10 Play4Life key limit. You might want to confirm that with RC Customer Service before spending any money though, since you'd want to know that Roland's applying these policies with consistency!

Re - Why give some users more keys than others etc? The whole system seems a bit like they were making it up as they went along - what with the change from Loyalty Rewards to Play4Life, and the fact that their own website won’t show Zenology Lifetime keys either (Which is a likely indicator of when the main website back end code was done - IE many years prior, before they offered Zenology keys as an option.. )

Not properly showing you the things you own (the lack of proper indicators in the Cloud Manager software also leaves a lot to be desired too), a failure to fix long standing bugs in plugins, allowing some users more than 10 keys via subscription but not others, a lack of regular new plugins to help justify a subscription model etc - all of these things are, perhaps, not the best ways to help inspire user confidence.

thanks alot PAK and to everyone else here helping me figure it out. im already too long in the business and have plugin experiences with companies that you can smell this bad business from Roland (Cloud), what helps up these marketing guys like Jon and Brian if nothing comes up, enough with these blabla im just a poor marketing guys (yeah maybe i dunno) i want facts, releases and stuff which is there and not promised or whatever.

Roland Cloud is a nice ground, and im very happy to finally have the D50 back and some other (digital)synths after i got rid of my hardware sadly but these are STILL not updated, enhanced/added with all xps and features, not really new plugins added, ridiculous prices, ridiculous price model and subscription model. i hope really that more people will follow and roland cloud team needs to act in a better way. i would have not thought Korg would deliver better stuff (their support sucks too sadly though!).

[Examigan]

thanks for clarifying mine looks like this

so if i might want more i will jpoing the P4L then. so this should be a new 10 instruments hopefully

Yes, anything under Loyalty Rewards should not count towards the 10 Play4Life key limit. You might want to confirm that with RC Customer Service before spending any money though, since you'd want to know that Roland's applying these policies with consistency!

Re - Why give some users more keys than others etc? The whole system seems a bit like they were making it up as they went along - what with the change from Loyalty Rewards to Play4Life, and the fact that their own website won’t show Zenology Lifetime keys either (Which is a likely indicator of when the main website back end code was done - IE many years prior, before they offered Zenology keys as an option.. )

Not properly showing you the things you own (the lack of proper indicators in the Cloud Manager software also leaves a lot to be desired too), a failure to fix long standing bugs in plugins, allowing some users more than 10 keys via subscription but not others, a lack of regular new plugins to help justify a subscription model etc - all of these things are, perhaps, not the best ways to help inspire user confidence.

Roland Cloud is a nice ground, and im very happy to finally have the D50 back and some other (digital)synths after i got rid of my hardware sadly but these are STILL not updated, enhanced/added with all xps and features, not really new plugins added, ridiculous prices, ridiculous price model and subscription model.

I know they updated 4 of them last year with some new features/updates, so hopefully they are working on the rest of them over time, and hopefully... new plugins.
https://www.rolandcloud.com/news/new-in ... re-out-now

[D-Fusion]

thanks for clarifying mine looks like this

so if i might want more i will jpoing the P4L then. so this should be a new 10 instruments hopefully

Yes, anything under Loyalty Rewards should not count towards the 10 Play4Life key limit. You might want to confirm that with RC Customer Service before spending any money though, since you'd want to know that Roland's applying these policies with consistency!

Re - Why give some users more keys than others etc? The whole system seems a bit like they were making it up as they went along - what with the change from Loyalty Rewards to Play4Life, and the fact that their own website won’t show Zenology Lifetime keys either (Which is a likely indicator of when the main website back end code was done - IE many years prior, before they offered Zenology keys as an option.. )

Not properly showing you the things you own (the lack of proper indicators in the Cloud Manager software also leaves a lot to be desired too), a failure to fix long standing bugs in plugins, allowing some users more than 10 keys via subscription but not others, a lack of regular new plugins to help justify a subscription model etc - all of these things are, perhaps, not the best ways to help inspire user confidence.

I have more than 10 but that is because i have bought a bunch of lifetime keys over the years + I have 8 in the Loyalty program and 1 in the Latest Pay4life offer.

[mudi1974]

I forgot the JV-1080 is basically the same as the XV-5080 minus a bunch of presets. I was thinking of getting the 1080 but I already have the 5080.

I don't understand why JV-1080 and XV-5080 are separate plugins. They should have made 1 with 2 skins (or sound, if there even is a difference, I could not find one). As a matter of fact the XV-5080 plugin can also load the sound bank from the JV-1080 plugin without any issue, if you "tweak" the file a little bit ...

[Yoloswagger9]

yeah redundancy seems to be a big issue with roland cloud..
seems you can load same sounds in jv1080, xv5080 as well as zenology pro.

also, i cant quite understand the use of the system8 plugin? isnt the hardwares main thing it can loud plugouts?
if you have zenology pro (or the plugouts in plugin version) why would you need system8 vst? i am asking because i simply dont understand so thankful if someone can explain.

[WatchTheGuitar]

System 8 is a really good virtual analogue synth in its own right. You can’t (AFAIK) load plugouts inside the virtual System 8.
It’s ACB modelled so imagine it will sound different from Zenology Pro even if you selected all the same settings for wave, envelopes, filters etc.

[Yoloswagger9]

what is the system8 acb modeled after? on its own isnt it "just" another VA? i mean its all software, i guess it just doesnt make quite sense to me to have it as a vst.

yes i assume you cant load "plugouts" in the software version as that would be loading software on top of software

[chk071]

what is the system8 acb modeled after?

Nuttin'.

[SLiC]

I forgot the JV-1080 is basically the same as the XV-5080 minus a bunch of presets. I was thinking of getting the 1080 but I already have the 5080.

I don't understand why JV-1080 and XV-5080 are separate plugins.

So Roland can charge twice for the same thing $$$

[Yoloswagger9]

what is the system8 acb modeled after?

Nuttin'.

Ohh, shots fired

[Yoloswagger9]

I forgot the JV-1080 is basically the same as the XV-5080 minus a bunch of presets. I was thinking of getting the 1080 but I already have the 5080.

I don't understand why JV-1080 and XV-5080 are separate plugins.

So Roland can charge twice for the same thing $$$

More like three times it seems.. Or maybe I'm just too dumb to understand and there's a massive quality difference between them all. But if so then why would you need x3 when you can just get the one that's best? Oh well. I doubt I will ever get it.