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manytone · Post by **manytone** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 6:37 pm

zerocrossing wrote: Just for kicks I think I'm going to do a poll on people's favorite amp sims.

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A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:30 pm

AFAIR, there have been some of these polls in the past.

This is a democracy so feel free to start a new one if you want. Makes sure to include most of the known and rare ones like the Flying Haggis, Nick's plugins, even Midiman's

If you want help with the available sims, we can do it in this thread.

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:37 pm

What the X-Gear and the amplitube range is also lacking is a drag and drop support for pedals and effects.

It is a hassle to have to replace a pedal right now, or to switch a pedal's position.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:50 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
Amberience wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:What? First of all, who cares about Revalver and Guitar Rig? They're not fit to smell Amplitube's shoes IN MY OPINION.
Well in my OPINION your OPINION is balls. RevalverMKII kicks Amplitube's arse - Hendrix's too.
So, you agree with me? Balls are where the good stuff is, eh? That's where I keep mine. Many of my favorite life experiences have included them.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:07 pm

A3ntar wrote:What the X-Gear and the amplitube range is also lacking is a drag and drop support for pedals and effects.

It is also lacking the ability to type in parameter values, or even display the parameter value by clicking on the knob in question. If you need to see a knob's value currently, you must first turn the knob which then changes the value. There is also no fine parameter adjustment. You will likely never dial in just the value you want. This is a real pain in the ass for delay times.

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:10 pm

redshift factor wrote:
A3ntar wrote:What the X-Gear and the amplitube range is also lacking is a drag and drop support for pedals and effects.
It is also lacking the ability to type in parameter values, or even display the parameter value by clicking on the knob in question. If you need to see a knob's value currently, you must first turn the knob which then changes the value. There is also no fine parameter adjustment. You will likely never dial in just the value you want. This is a real pain in the ass for delay times.

You're completly right. Very annoying indeed. Funny that it sais "selected parameter" but there is no way to select a parameter without modifying it's value.

sockofgold · Post by **sockofgold** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:22 pm

redshift factor wrote:
A3ntar wrote:What the X-Gear and the amplitube range is also lacking is a drag and drop support for pedals and effects.
It is also lacking the ability to type in parameter values, or even display the parameter value by clicking on the knob in question. If you need to see a knob's value currently, you must first turn the knob which then changes the value. There is also no fine parameter adjustment. You will likely never dial in just the value you want. This is a real pain in the ass for delay times.

You do know you can sync delay times to BPM, right? I'm sure you have good reason for dialing in specific times, but you can switch it so that it will go by beat count instead of ms, in which case you can get the speed you want. Not condescending here, just making sure you know. Of course, this only works if you want tempo-synced delays, which I'm guessing you don't.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:59 pm

Usually when guitarists work with a delay, they work in milliseconds. I have specific effects I need to recreate that calls for 250ms delay, for example.
This simple feat has so far been elusive.

Lets say you have a stomp chain, and you want to use the exact settings of one of the stomps from another preset. There is no way to load just that one effect into the pedalboard. It's either all or none. So you have to manually recreate the effect. But you can't even look at the numerical values of a parameter without first altering them, and then chances are you will never be able to dial them in exactly in your new preset.

We need better precision control over parameters, and the ability to type the values in. And clicking on a knob should make it display its value without having to alter it.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:28 am

redshift factor wrote:Usually when guitarists work with a delay, they work in milliseconds. I have specific effects I need to recreate that calls for 250ms delay, for example.
This simple feat has so far been elusive.

Lets say you have a stomp chain, and you want to use the exact settings of one of the stomps from another preset. There is no way to load just that one effect into the pedalboard. It's either all or none. So you have to manually recreate the effect. But you can't even look at the numerical values of a parameter without first altering them, and then chances are you will never be able to dial them in exactly in your new preset.

We need better precision control over parameters, and the ability to type the values in. And clicking on a knob should make it display its value without having to alter it.

Just curious why you need exactly 250ms amount of delay each time? I mean, surely it would change for the song?

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:18 am

It was just an example.
The fact is you can't precisely dial in any numerical value in any module for any reason, what ever it might be, and that is what is at issue here.

However, the 250ms example is for recreating an effect from a hardware unit in software for ITB mixing, if you really must know. Achieving that at all appears impossible in AmpliTube 2. So it is not a matter of "each time." I would be happy with even once.

There are two separate issues being discussed. One is the ability to call up a parameter's value without first changing the value, and the other is the ability to enter in a specific value precisely. The example I gave involving copying the settings exactly from one pedal to another was for the purpose of citing both problems in a single circumstance. I suppose a 3rd issue could be the inability to save and load a single stomp or rack effect within the chain.

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:06 am

Another issue with X-Gear.

The same patch sounds different if you load it with X-Gear or with AT2.

See the following thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2994669

I can confirm that the same patch sound different.

I am speculating that X-Gear uses it's own copy of AT2 and not the one found on your system. So it might be using an update copy of AT2. It just checks whether AT2 is authorized on your system and loads it's own version. I am speculation it is the same with ATJHE.

And weird enough the pak (amps and effects) of X-Gear is 3 times as big as AT2's, which might be due because it is holding the effects and amps of AT2, SVX, and ATJHE..

Another issue with X-Gear, when you add a preset to a folder, you have to reload the program for it so see it. With AT2 it loads the files every time it shows the menu.

dbender · Post by **dbender** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:11 am

A3ntar wrote:Another issue with X-Gear.

The same patch sounds different if you load it with X-Gear or with AT2.

See the following thread: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2994669

I can confirm that the same patch sound different.

I am speculating that X-Gear uses it's own copy of AT2 and not the one found on your system. So it might be using an update copy of AT2. It just checks whether AT2 is authorized on your system and loads it's own version. I am speculation it is the same with ATJHE.

I saw that thread too, and am wondering --

- just what is the "difference" in sound that people are noticing? (haven't tried the plug yet -- can't for a while due to other broken gear)

- whether it may have to do with gain settings?
-- I've noticed that x-gear has adjustable input gain (on the very bottom part of the window's frame, not the other input knob above that) that AT2 and JH do not have, so I'm wondering if that also may have something to do with it?

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:15 am

dbender wrote: I saw that thread too, and am wondering --

- just what is the "difference" in sound that people are noticing? (haven't tried the plug yet -- can't for a while due to other broken gear)

- whether it may have to do with gain settings?
-- I've noticed that x-gear has adjustable input gain (on the very bottom part of the window's frame, not the other input knob above that) that AT2 and JH do not have, so I'm wondering if that also may have something to do with it?

I tried them both in VST mode. There is no "input gain" field under the VST.

Chained one after the other, and I would bypass one and the other and using the exact same settings for all controls/pedals, etc...

The tone sounded different.

A3ntar · Post by **A3ntar** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:18 am

A3ntar wrote: And weird enough the pak (amps and effects) of X-Gear is 3 times as big as AT2's, which might be due because it is holding the effects and amps of AT2, SVX, and ATJHE..

I tried deleting the AT2 paks, and X-Gear didn't offer me AT2 gear anymore. Now it might just be a simple file check to enable/disable X-Gear's own modules.

I am still intrigued if X-Gear does use AT2's code, why the heck it is 3 times bigger.

redshift factor · Post by **redshift factor** » Wed Mar 19, 2008 5:59 am

X-GEAR also completely reorganizes the Ampeg SVX graphics inside, as I showed some time back with the Youtube screenshots. That means it must be embedded inside of X-GEAR. I think it was unnecessary since you can't change the EQ or power amp sections of the Ampeg amps anyways, and doesn't look as good as the original.

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