Cakewalk Sonar X3

[noelb]

All prior producer exclusive plugins will continue to work in all flavors of X3 including essential. Prochannel modules will also work in Studio.
ARA is integrated across the board but essential ships with a demo of Melodyne if I remember right. If you already have Melodyne it will also work in any version of X3 in enhanced ARA mode. (you must have the VST3 version installed to use ARA)

Here is the product comparison chart:
http://www.cakewalk.com/products/sonar/versions.aspx

Noel

[Daan22]

So it looks like you are basing your entire perception on SONAR 8.5, something that was released 4 years ago? In software age that's like more than 20 man years ago

Anyway even your memory of how things worked in 8.5 is flawed.
SONAR has never required a user to reset and rescan each time you add a plugin.

The problem there is that Sonar wont quit. i have had a continuous stream of Sonar-wont-quit problems from various and unknown causes (plus the system tray activity icon will then not go away with Sonar when force quit). See, everything leads me to yet another part of Sonar that is clumsy.

Yes, 8.5 had this problem. But since X2 this problem has gone completely, at least, it hasn't occured to me once, and other users have the same experience. I agree with Noel, posting issues about 8.5 (what is it, 4 years ago?) is useless. It is also off topic since this thread is about SONAR X3


By the way, X2a is rock solid for me, I find the workflow the best I have ever experienced, and I'm planning to upgrade to X3 soon.

[whyterabbyt]

Here's a question I might as well ask here, since Im not that keen on the CW forums. Can anyone confirm if any of the plugins that were included with older Producer versions, eg PX64, VX64, TS64, etc or even the PC76 and PC4K ProChannel modules would be unavailable to X3 if I went for the Studio version this time around?

Also, is R-Mix completely gone now? Will the old version still work in the same manner V-Vocal is supposed to?

I can confirm the PX64 and VX64 even working in Cubase. It's just VSTs.

Sure, that makes sense, I already use them in Bidule and Live. Im assuming Amber and Breverb wont, though; despite being VST they were tied and would only run in Producer.

Pro Channel modules are going to work in X3 Studio and Producer.

Right, so if I already have them, I should be able to keep them. Cheers.

Im still thinking I'll wait for a sale, though. X2 Pro to X3 Studio is as much as I paid for X1 Pro to X2 Pro.

[LawrenceF]

So be critical by all means, but at least base your information on a current version.

Now can we put this urban legend to bed?

New to KVR are we?

[Proteinshake]

So be critical by all means, but at least base your information on a current version.

Noel

I would give X3 a shot, but I'm so unhappy with my upgrade options. Rapture and Z3TA+ are the only bits and pieces I'm utilizing out of my X1 Producer. I own Studio One Pro V1/V2 which brings me Melodyne Essential. I got plenty 3rd party plugins already - almost too many.

Basic X3 doesn't include Pro Channel - Pro Channel is the only thing that really catches my interest actually.
I don't want / I don't need Studio or Producer (again).

Just offer an option to extend basic X3 with Pro Channel and Pro Channel Modules and I (and many others) might reconsider.

[AROSSA [Cakewalk]]

Well, one can check the CW forums...seems a good barometer I'd think. Seen a few SUEs there...

That forum is really something... something beyond something...

Take a look at the reply that poor guy gets:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3-Tape-Emula ... 00350.aspx

Holy hell. Those first three replies are just utter jackasses.

There's that weird feeling all over that forum... can't describe it. Someone mentioned "assimiliation", and I think that's a pretty good describtion.

Hmm. Two negative comments found, out of thousands on a generally very helpful and friendly forum.
The negative conclusions obviously tell more about some individuals (haters) on KVR than about the whole Cakewalk forum, which is generally a helpful and friendly place.

For example, an utterly ugly thread like this one would be absolutely impossible to find there.

Daan22, thanks for pointing this out. In general, what I see going on here in this thread is cheap politician strategies to discredit Cakewalk and SONAR. For example, they go and find one post on our forum where someone may not seem helpful and point to it as fact that every post it like that. They ignore the 99.9% of helpful posts and the overall positive vibe of that community. What they also fail to tell you is that OP had raised some red flags to some users which was the reason for that reply. Again, these are cheap strategies that are factually incorrect, but who cares.

Another tactic being used by a few folks is repeating the same thing over and over again even if it's not true. Several people have stated that SONAR doesn't use a VST wrapper, including the developer at Cakewalk. But I guess if you repeat the same myth over and over again, it becomes fact. Likewise, a handful of people keep posting the same thing over and over again. In many cases, they don't even use the product yet they think if the same the same thing over and over again, that somehow it becomes true and that they represent the majority. In fact they represent the minority.

Yet another tactic being used is to state personal opinions as fact. There's a thread above this one that states "Just offer an option to extend basic X3 with Pro Channel and Pro Channel Modules and I (and many others) might reconsider." There's no factual basis to this comment. We have received few requests for this and the majority of people are upgrading to Producer. But somehow one persons desire is being translated into "many others". There are more examples of that.

All in all, this thread is not indicative of the reality of SONAR or Cakewalk. Over 9 out of 10 people we survey enjoy SONAR and would recommend it to a friend. We talk to users all over the world at shows and events who love SONAR and thank us. The reality is that when you sell as many copies of SONAR as we have over the past decade, you are bound to get a percentage of unhappy customers. These people are the most vocal and try to act like they're the majority when in fact they are not.

Finally, I reached out a few folks personally on KVR who were unhappy to try and schedule calls with them to go over some of their issues and see if we could right their experience. I got no takers. Why? I don't think they really care about getting help or talking to us. They obviously have another agenda and direct discussion with us is not one of them.

So keep this all in mind when you read these posts. If you visit our forum, which actually has current SONAR users, you will see a much different tone.

Thanks,

Andrew

[AROSSA [Cakewalk]]

Here's a question I might as well ask here, since Im not that keen on the CW forums. Can anyone confirm if any of the plugins that were included with older Producer versions, eg PX64, VX64, TS64, etc or even the PC76 and PC4K ProChannel modules would be unavailable to X3 if I went for the Studio version this time around?

Also, is R-Mix completely gone now? Will the old version still work in the same manner V-Vocal is supposed to?

I can confirm the PX64 and VX64 even working in Cubase. It's just VSTs.

Sure, that makes sense, I already use them in Bidule and Live. Im assuming Amber and Breverb wont, though; despite being VST they were tied and would only run in Producer.

Pro Channel modules are going to work in X3 Studio and Producer.

Right, so if I already have them, I should be able to keep them. Cheers.

Im still thinking I'll wait for a sale, though. X2 Pro to X3 Studio is as much as I paid for X1 Pro to X2 Pro.

If you upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio or Producer, you will keep all your current ProChannel modules and of course your VSTs would work. Hope that helps.

[trimph1]

Here's a question I might as well ask here, since Im not that keen on the CW forums. Can anyone confirm if any of the plugins that were included with older Producer versions, eg PX64, VX64, TS64, etc or even the PC76 and PC4K ProChannel modules would be unavailable to X3 if I went for the Studio version this time around?

Also, is R-Mix completely gone now? Will the old version still work in the same manner V-Vocal is supposed to?

I can confirm the PX64 and VX64 even working in Cubase. It's just VSTs.

Sure, that makes sense, I already use them in Bidule and Live. Im assuming Amber and Breverb wont, though; despite being VST they were tied and would only run in Producer.

Pro Channel modules are going to work in X3 Studio and Producer.

Right, so if I already have them, I should be able to keep them. Cheers.

Im still thinking I'll wait for a sale, though. X2 Pro to X3 Studio is as much as I paid for X1 Pro to X2 Pro.

If you upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio or Producer, you will keep all your current ProChannel modules and of course your VSTs would work. Hope that helps.

That's great news!! Thanks!!

[arachnaut]

Well, one can check the CW forums...seems a good barometer I'd think. Seen a few SUEs there...

That forum is really something... something beyond something...

Take a look at the reply that poor guy gets:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3-Tape-Emula ... 00350.aspx

This is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

[LawrenceF]

But I guess if you repeat the same myth over and over again, it becomes fact.

Works pretty well for Fox News.

Being more serious, he has a point. The Internet is - chock full - of misinformation, which isn't really a major problem except for those who depend on it for information instead of doing their own research, and potentially for manufacturers who have to constantly refute the same misinformation bits over and over and over again because some jump into the middle or end of threads without reading the thread and say the same things that's already been factually refuted already.

It's almost like religion. Believe what you believe and ignore any real evidence to the contrary.

[trimph1]

Well, one can check the CW forums...seems a good barometer I'd think. Seen a few SUEs there...

That forum is really something... something beyond something...

Take a look at the reply that poor guy gets:

http://forum.cakewalk.com/X3-Tape-Emula ... 00350.aspx

This is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black.

My take on this particular one is that there are always going to be curmudgeons anywhere, even there. But, having said that, I found the vast majority to be helpful there. Like I said, it is a good barometer of what I'm seeing, hardly nothing at all like the shock/trauma of X1 and the bitter disputes then...I may upgrade earlier because of that fact.

[vespesian]

So keep this all in mind when you read these posts. If you visit our forum, which actually has current SONAR users, you will see a much different tone.

Thanks,

Andrew

Sorry - but I beg to differ. The tone in recent sonar x forum threads is fine - if you a) don't air any misgivings re: cakewalk or sonar, or b)strike some "senior" members as not "one of the good guys" (their words). Members and staff are way, way, way too sensitive to criticism - and haven't learned that the best way to deal with "trolls" is not to feed them. Pulling threads? Really? Frankly, I believe this vicious cheerleader forum atmosphere contributes to the bad rep sonar has in some quarters as an "unprofessional" DAW, which, of course, is ridiculous. BUT - it's one of the reasons I ditched X2a for Cubase 7.

[spikey]

But I guess if you repeat the same myth over and over again, it becomes fact.

Works pretty well for Fox News.

The myth is you thinking Fox has myths compared to the libidiots @ CNN...

Seriously (it worked for you), Im on the fence about upgrading... Been with Cake for a decade, but with Logic X, DP8 and Cubase 7 on the drive Im not sure I even need X3 now...

[whyterabbyt]

Here's a question I might as well ask here, since Im not that keen on the CW forums. Can anyone confirm if any of the plugins that were included with older Producer versions, eg PX64, VX64, TS64, etc or even the PC76 and PC4K ProChannel modules would be unavailable to X3 if I went for the Studio version this time around?

Also, is R-Mix completely gone now? Will the old version still work in the same manner V-Vocal is supposed to?

I can confirm the PX64 and VX64 even working in Cubase. It's just VSTs.

Sure, that makes sense, I already use them in Bidule and Live. Im assuming Amber and Breverb wont, though; despite being VST they were tied and would only run in Producer.

Pro Channel modules are going to work in X3 Studio and Producer.

Right, so if I already have them, I should be able to keep them. Cheers.

Im still thinking I'll wait for a sale, though. X2 Pro to X3 Studio is as much as I paid for X1 Pro to X2 Pro.

If you upgrade to SONAR X3 Studio or Producer, you will keep all your current ProChannel modules and of course your VSTs would work. Hope that helps.

Cheers. Any idea about R-mix?

[juffi]

So keep this all in mind when you read these posts. If you visit our forum, which actually has current SONAR users, you will see a much different tone.

Thanks,

Andrew

Sorry - but I beg to differ. The tone in recent sonar x forum threads is fine - if you a) don't air any misgivings re: cakewalk or sonar, or b)strike some "senior" members as not "one of the good guys" (their words). Members and staff are way, way, way too sensitive to criticism - and haven't learned that the best way to deal with "trolls" is not to feed them. Pulling threads? Really? Frankly, I believe this vicious cheerleader forum atmosphere contributes to the bad rep sonar has in some quarters as an "unprofessional" DAW, which, of course, is ridiculous. BUT - it's one of the reasons I ditched X2a for Cubase 7.

+1

Sometimes i wonder what the forum or cakewalk is thinking, about what software we are talking about. We are not talking about shareware that costs 29 $ or something, we are talking about a software that seems to be a professional software where many users dumped several hundred bucks or over a thousand bucks , right?

so if cakewalk is going to release only one patch for X2, i think cakewalk should AT LEAST give the opportunity to get an X3 core upgrade for free, without the bells and whistles but still have the option to buy some plugin bundle for interested users that have bought all the updates in the past?

Never ever experienced a "major daw" that brought out only one patch and said after one year : here is the new version and please pay again. Did cakewalk ever heard of "accommodating arrangement" ?