No need, that is all contained in my review of the synth, which is there for all to see at any time. How many reviews have you bothered to write, or is it all about what you can get out of this place, not what you might be able to contribute?acYm wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:30 amthen why don't you fully commit this time, declare your faith and everlasting recognition of its quality, and put it in your signature, I'd see it right in between vacuum and arcsyn perhaps.
What synth do you actually USE the most in your own music????
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- 17693 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
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- KVRist
- 48 posts since 29 May, 2020
Union (Soundspot), Fantastic!!!
- KVRAF
- 3812 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
This wasn't an if I could only keep one synth question, this was just in the context of already having software synths, so ultranova maybe not needed?. Also guess it depends what music you're making.BONES wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 12:55 amNo, it would be a terrible synth to have if you only had one hardware synth. It is way too limited. If you only had one hardware synth, you'd want something digital, or an Analog Four/Keys or something with a bit of versatility. Sub 37 is something you might get once you had the basics covered. If I decided to only keep one hardware synth, it would be a toss-up between Ultranova and Analog Keys for me._leras wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:59 pmI said sub 37 as it would be a great synth to have if you only had one hardware synth
Sub 37 can do pretty passable acid, more so than the analog four? and also great bass and leads. The A4 sound didn't really grab me when it came out. Your enthusiasm will make me go and look for some good demos though!
Anyway, this came about from that clearly ott list of softsynths. Could easily keep the best softsynths that were bought and buy a decent synth or two. Sub 37 was just an example, I'm not inclined to sing it's praises too much as I'm not an owner, but if I had some software and no hardware I think it would be right up there as a great synth to compliment software.
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- KVRian
- 1182 posts since 11 Sep, 2015
you're keeping an exit door open, who's to say what you might think of the synth in 6 months... but it's comforting to know that you will indeed update your review if you ever change your mind again.BONES wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 11:55 am No need, that is all contained in my review of the synth, which is there for all to see at any time. How many reviews have you bothered to write, or is it all about what you can get out of this place, not what you might be able to contribute?
cheers for that.
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- 17693 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Exactly. It happens all the time - you buy a synth and it clicks straight away, so you use it in half-a-dozen pieces but then start to realise that it's only really good for one or two things and not as versatile as you had hoped it might be. Once you've used it a few times you can't get much more from it so your attitude changes. After a while, you pull it out again and maybe discover something else it's good for that you weren't thinking about before. You'd have to hold onto something for years before you could be absolutely definitive about it.
Perfect Circuit's patch creation videos are worth watching, too, and they all fall into my comfort zone of being around 5 minutes each.
I'd suggest that something like a Subsequent 37 is just as easily replaced by software as Ultranova. Analog Keys is a far more unique beast if that's what you're looking for. Plus, of course, all three have excellent DAW integration via VSTi editors. I'm not sure about the Moog but the others can also act as your audio I/O, which can vastly simplify a live set-up - Skulpt/Uno into Ultranova, Ultranova and PC output into AK, AK into the PA._leras wrote: Fri Jul 17, 2020 10:48 pmThis wasn't an if I could only keep one synth question, this was just in the context of already having software synths, so ultranova maybe not needed?
I have absolutely no idea and hope never to find out. If you just want to do "passable acid", you can use pretty much any old piece of garbage you like. It's hardly a challenge.Sub 37 can do pretty passable acid, more so than the analog four?
Unless you want to use a decent amount of resonance in your bassline, of course, at which point the Moog filter will fail badly.and also great bass and leads.
This is the one that convinced me. You get some small sense of the really crazy modulation they've programmed into a lot of the patches here but it's something you have to experience for yourself to fully appreciate. At first I thought it was lunacy but once you get it, it's incredible.The A4 sound didn't really grab me when it came out. Your enthusiasm will make me go and look for some good demos though!
Perfect Circuit's patch creation videos are worth watching, too, and they all fall into my comfort zone of being around 5 minutes each.
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- KVRist
- 124 posts since 18 Feb, 2012 from United States
ANA2 is a beast and certainly a great deal, but I think SynthMaster/SynthMaster One are even better if you’re talking about price per synth.GeneralQ wrote: Wed Jul 08, 2020 10:18 amANA2 is imo the best value per price synth I came across. It's 1/3 of the price of serum, but not too far away quality wise.LoveEnigma18 wrote: Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:44 pm
I am demoing ANA 2. Sounds beautiful and indeed has a certain character to it. But GUI and layout is not looking very convenient to me, at least right now. It's on sale for 44 GBP with code, which is a great price. But I am trying to justify it against my most used synths like Massive, Massive X, and relatively new Pigments 2.
EDIT: Got ANA 2. Sounds incredible and it's a real fun to learn synth programming. It is a lot diverse than it might seem to be. The arp and cmd features are amazing. Thanks to nachenko for his advice to go for it and his free ANA 2 presets.![]()
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- KVRAF
- 13256 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
IIRC Vacuum Pro cost me £1
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- 17693 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
I paid $99 for mine and haven't regretted it for a second. I waited and waited for it to go back on sale but eventually decided to just buy it. Two weeks later and it was $7.99 again. I couldn't have cared less - I have paid more than that for a CD.
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- KVRian
- 732 posts since 9 Apr, 2005 from Japan
This would make a good album title.
Stormchild
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- 17693 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
For an extremely bad album.
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- KVRAF
- 13256 posts since 30 Apr, 2019
Just saying I think Vacuum Pro is my best bang-for-buck synth that I paid money for.BONES wrote: Sun Jul 19, 2020 12:31 am I paid $99 for mine and haven't regretted it for a second. I waited and waited for it to go back on sale but eventually decided to just buy it. Two weeks later and it was $7.99 again. I couldn't have cared less - I have paid more than that for a CD.
Yeah, fully understand the shit or get off the pot nature of purchasing in a domain where eventual sales are inevitable.
What was the super expensive CD?
- KVRAF
- 3812 posts since 20 Apr, 2005
Thanks for the link. The A4 doesn't really do it for me, seems a bit straight and to me isn't liquidy or squeclhy. Can make some good sounds but I only liked a small part of its range I think. However, I looked up a bit more on the ultranova, and that is actually really nice, some great edgy sounds!BONES wrote: Sat Jul 18, 2020 1:52 am Exactly. It happens all the time - you buy a synth and it clicks straight away, so you use it in half-a-dozen pieces but then start to realise that it's only really good for one or two things and not as versatile as you had hoped it might be. Once you've used it a few times you can't get much more from it so your attitude changes. After a while, you pull it out again and maybe discover something else it's good for that you weren't thinking about before. You'd have to hold onto something for years before you could be absolutely definitive about it.
This is the one that convinced me. You get some small sense of the really crazy modulation they've programmed into a lot of the patches here but it's something you have to experience for yourself to fully appreciate. At first I thought it was lunacy but once you get it, it's incredible.
Perfect Circuit's patch creation videos are worth watching, too, and they all fall into my comfort zone of being around 5 minutes each.
I agree definitely that the more you dig into something the more you can get out of it.
To finally be on topic
Repro and diva.
Both of these are quite limited and I'd not really clicked with Repro,. But after really digging into them across 22 tracks the results have exceeded my expectations, and the cohesiveness across tracks has been great. (Extraweld, booka shade, John Hopkins kind of stuff)
Just shows you can use anything really and that the key is actually making music with a synth, learning how it works and how it fits in the music you are making, which can even change from track to track.
For some of my own tracks - which are generally harder and edgier - this year I've probably dived into Massive X the most which is a great synth. So not really using much hardware this year at all...
- KVRAF
- 26928 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
The Analog Four has far more sonic range and tons of modulation... plus of course 4 voices and 4 tracks._leras wrote: Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:59 pm And you what? Analog 4 over Sub 37.... But yeah fair enough a workstation would cover some ground of 'a lot' but it doesn't have to be completely either or. I said sub 37 as it would be a great synth to have if you only had one hardware synth
I have an Analog Keys (and an Analog 4 MKII) and it is an exceptional synth. Underrated in my opinion. I get some of the most beautiful expressive lead sounds of any hardware synth I have played.
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- 17693 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere you're not!
Yes, the Analog Four/Keys are greatly under-appreciated for sure. To be fair, I found it really, really hard to get into and I haven't even looked at the sequencer. Most of the patches I've made for it I've done through the software editor, not on the synth itself, but the depth and breadth of its abilities is truly stunning and the sound is incredibly good. The other thing I really appreciate about it is how different it is from all the other synths. Elektron haven't tried to make a classic analogue sounding machine, they have gone for something thoroughly modern that really pushes the boundaries when it comes to what you think you can do with an analogue signal path.
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Invader 2, Flow Motion, Olga, TRK 01, Thorn, Spire, VG Iron
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