KVR Audio

bpoteat · Post by **bpoteat** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:55 pm

ehdyn wrote:It has the down to earth effect of relegating MIDI to the sidelines where it belongs.

Like ReWire did to VST?

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:58 pm

blank/diod wrote:
shamann wrote:
blank/diod wrote:That's cool. If your principles are worth more than being able to use the tools you want to use, then stick with the principles, I hear they're really great for generating sound.
Of all the things that unsettle me in this thread, I find this statement the most unsettling.
Aha. And you don't find it unsettling or the least bit weird that the tools matter less than their copy protection? "This is my favorite product and the one I'm most productive with, but it comes with this little plastic stick that I don't like, so I'm going to to settle for whatever second best that doesn't come with a plastic stick". Mmmmkay...

Well, when you put it that way it's much more clear...

Listen up everyone, when my your little plastic stick(s) die and the company is gone, just get in contact with 'blank/dod' and he will make it all better.

runagate · Post by **runagate** » Mon May 11, 2009 6:59 pm

Propellerhead Record Preview

So here's your preview video. He says it's modeled on an SSL.
I noticed it in the comments on CDM's blog about Record.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:03 pm

AS of late, I am of the opinion that software should only be as complex as it needs to be. I like the idea of limited functionality- I have more effects and instruments than I could have dreamed 5 years ago, but make a tiny fraction of the music these days. my free time is virtually nil these days, so this could be just the thing to keep me on task. however, the dongle is no bueno, even though its an interesting take on it and buying record would only add another entry to my huge list of applications...

zion7 · Post by **zion7** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:03 pm

ehdyn wrote:
zion7 wrote:I really don't see how the Props are going to survive in the long term. All of Reason's modules are completely obsolete by today, there are free VSTs that do what any Reason component does (not to mention the vastly superior commercial products). This Record thing seems to be for novice producers/songwriters to get introduced into the recording world, or Reason users. Why would anybody with a serious DAW switch to Record? Props should have turned themselves into a company that makes crucial plugins. A good enough plugin can sell for $250 on the market. Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people. Why make software that can record but can barely manipulate the recording? I mean what are you people seeing in this product that I am not (besides the interesting timestretch, which isn't enough to warrant a switch). This type of bad strategy is exactly why Reason fell behind from its glory days. I hoped to get something special from the Props but this is certainly not it.
Just picking you as an example for no particular Reason.
Why are you talking about Propellerheads viability when you don't understand the program?

Propellerheads are going to be fine because they've invented technology that is going to have all of the DAW's not just looking over their shoulder but begging for a chance to license the tech.
This doesnt just make all timestreching efforts before it look ancient.
It has the down to earth effect of relegating MIDI to the sidelines where it belongs.

Also, whats wrong with Midi? Seriously?
Because of the extreme malleability of the hybrid data format you no longer need the flexibility that MIDI previously afforded you.

Having seen and heard it in person at the producers conference I will definitely purchase and record my next album with it.

Record will cause a Revolution in Recording

Perhaps you are correct, hence why I am asking the question. But regardless, my other point still stands: if this technology was so special, they should have made it compatible with a bigger base of users. Ableton works fine for timestretching for the most part. Nobody is goign to abandon their DAW for that sole capability.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:04 pm

zion7 wrote:Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people.

What makes you think the subset is limited? I bet there are a hell of a lot more music dabblers than there are serious electronic musicians and it seems like Record is aimed at them and the Garage Band set. My guess is we're the smaller of the subsets. Funny, I have a friend who's about as pro as they get (ten years ago he made his own hardware DAW) and he uses Garageband all the time. He says it's usually just what he needs and nothing else. Not my cup of tea, but I can see the allure of a simple tool for a simple job.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:05 pm

zion7 wrote:I really don't see how the Props are going to survive in the long term. All of Reason's modules are completely obsolete by today, there are free VSTs that do what any Reason component does (not to mention the vastly superior commercial products). This Record thing seems to be for novice producers/songwriters to get introduced into the recording world, or Reason users. Why would anybody with a serious DAW switch to Record? Props should have turned themselves into a company that makes crucial plugins. A good enough plugin can sell for $250 on the market. Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people. Why make software that can record but can barely manipulate the recording? I mean what are you people seeing in this product that I am not (besides the interesting timestretch, which isn't enough to warrant a switch). This type of bad strategy is exactly why Reason fell behind from its glory days. I hoped to get something special from the Props but this is certainly not it.

Yeah! If they weren't so dumb they could be in there slugging for a piece of the action with the likes of Tracktion, EXT and Reaper.

zion7 · Post by **zion7** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:07 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
zion7 wrote:Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people.
What makes you think the subset is limited? I bet there are a hell of a lot more music dabblers than there are serious electronic musicians and it seems like Record is aimed at them and the Garage Band set. My guess is we're the smaller of the subsets. Funny, I have a friend who's about as pro as they get (ten years ago he made his own hardware DAW) and he uses Garageband all the time. He says it's usually just what he needs and nothing else. Not my cup of tea, but I can see the allure of a simple tool for a simple job.

I don't think there are more music "dabblers" willing to pay for a $250 super specialized product; where despite being "dabblers", somehow know the inherent value of a better timestretch algorithm.

TristezaOrange · Post by **TristezaOrange** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:11 pm

Is the time-stretching better than, say, Elastique Pro's? I rarely (almost never) use time-stretching in my tracks so I wonder if it really is that revolutionary. I guess there are people qualified enough in KvR to answer this question.

ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:13 pm

trying to armchair quarterback the motives of a company is futile.

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:14 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
zion7 wrote:Why make a limited "host" for a very limited subset of people.
What makes you think the subset is limited? I bet there are a hell of a lot more music dabblers than there are serious electronic musicians and it seems like Record is aimed at them and the Garage Band set. My guess is we're the smaller of the subsets. Funny, I have a friend who's about as pro as they get (ten years ago he made his own hardware DAW) and he uses Garageband all the time. He says it's usually just what he needs and nothing else. Not my cup of tea, but I can see the allure of a simple tool for a simple job.

you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

zion7 · Post by **zion7** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:15 pm

Hell,
I would pay good money to get the SCREAM distortion as a VST Plug. Props have tons of talent and ideas. But keeping their universe closed is just silly to me. Yeah, Reason had less bugs and never crashed. Big shit. I still abandoned it for Cubase years ago and never looked back.

ModuLR wrote:trying to armchair quarterback the motives of a company is futile.

Correct. However, it does a fantastic job at making the workday fly by faster

mellotronaut wrote: you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

and thats "revolutionary"? seriously?

I also bet if this wasn't by the Props, many of you wouldn't have interest in it.

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:22 pm

christianmusicmaker wrote: Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.

Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

djanthonyw · Post by **djanthonyw** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:24 pm

mellotronaut wrote: you nailed it: all the people, who just want to record their songs like before within a high quality (sound-wise) set-up with a notebook.

Notebook + dongle = sweet harmony.

CANE CREEK wrote:
christianmusicmaker wrote: Never even crossed my mind that they would add a dongle to Reason 5. I guess it is a real possibility now.
Reason 5 ? where , when ?

I kinda assumed they would be no more Reason updates and it would be all "Record" from now on

Why would you assume that? Reason and Record are two completely different products with different purposes.

TristezaOrange · Post by **TristezaOrange** » Mon May 11, 2009 7:29 pm

zion7 wrote: I also bet if this wasn't by the Props, many of you wouldn't have interest in it.

That's my guess too. It would just be another contender in a crowded field. But it's made by PH and it has some "cool" marketing behind it. So it gets people interested.

(I'm not saying that's a bad thing though)

Record: New DAW from Propellerheads