Ichiro Toda Updates Synth1 !!!!!1.12version!!!!!!!!!

[crimsonwarlock]

Actually there is a real reason to limit Synth1:
To leave it as it is, and as it was aimed at in the first place. Add more features, and you have Synth X/Y that you can get on the market already! Dammit, if I look at the recent made posts what to implement, I might as well get another Oatmetal, or Atlantis out of it! Or simply use that one instead of waiting for Synth1 to "implement" the very same stuff!

Do you want that? Do you you really want that?!

I very much agree with Compyfox here.

Both the original feature-set and it's sound has found Synth1 a place in many people's gearlists. For me it complements the other synths I use in a great way. If it would develop into a much bigger synth then much of it's attraction will be lost, and I'm sure not only to me.

Many people here seem to forget that the original Synth1 actually brought people together in using it, making sounds for it and writing songs with it. 8000+ presets is a great testament to that fact. But what we see now is that this 'give me this, give me that' mentality is already breaking up the 'synth1 community'. Maybe we should think a bit about that.

Synth1 has always been the ultimate 'bread and butter sounds' synthesizer. Like Compyfox I think we should nurture that and honor that. From where I stand (just my opinion and all that) Synth1 should be updated to take out some bugs, get better compatibility and stuff like that and maybe get a few little functional additions. Now this is exactly what Daichi announced before all the requests started. So lets just be patient and see where he takes it.

[hakey]

But what we see now is that this 'give me this, give me that' mentality is already breaking up the 'synth1 community'.

Again, you're the one who is reading this as a selfish 'give me' attitude, whereas others see it merely as an open forum discussion, with various opinions and suggestions being offered.

No one is demanding, or expecting that Ichiro Toda will implement, some, any or all of these suggestions. I very much doubt that a none English speaker will have waded through all of the 40+ pages anyway.

[lucknow13]

Actually there is a real reason to limit Synth1:
To leave it as it is, and as it was aimed at in the first place. Add more features, and you have Synth X/Y that you can get on the market already! Dammit, if I look at the recent made posts what to implement, I might as well get another Oatmetal, or Atlantis out of it! Or simply use that one instead of waiting for Synth1 to "implement" the very same stuff!

Do you want that? Do you you really want that?!

I very much agree with Compyfox here.

Both the original feature-set and it's sound has found Synth1 a place in many people's gearlists. For me it complements the other synths I use in a great way. If it would develop into a much bigger synth then much of it's attraction will be lost, and I'm sure not only to me.

Many people here seem to forget that the original Synth1 actually brought people together in using it, making sounds for it and writing songs with it. 8000+ presets is a great testament to that fact. But what we see now is that this 'give me this, give me that' mentality is already breaking up the 'synth1 community'. Maybe we should think a bit about that.

Synth1 has always been the ultimate 'bread and butter sounds' synthesizer. Like Compyfox I think we should nurture that and honor that. From where I stand (just my opinion and all that) Synth1 should be updated to take out some bugs, get better compatibility and stuff like that and maybe get a few little functional additions. Now this is exactly what Daichi announced before all the requests started. So lets just be patient and see where he takes it.

Yes I totally agree with this. At the moment the newest update is fine and you can still get the previous versions from the download site but if it changes too much then maybe it would be proper to give it a new name. the only thing that would be a nice addition would maybe be the option to have a new interface (gui). I've been doing a little work on a new bank with additions using the 1.11 version. Also if it changes too much in any future updates it would be good if they had a new instrument ID so that one could have more than one version(?)on the hard drive and not get them mixed up? Anyways I've always thought it was more than a bread and butter synth myself.

[brok landers]

But what we see now is that this 'give me this, give me that' mentality is already breaking up the 'synth1 community'.

Again, you're the one who is reading this as a selfish 'give me' attitude, whereas others see it merely as an open forum discussion, with various opinions and suggestions being offered.

No one is demanding, or expecting that Ichiro Toda will implement, some, any or all of these suggestions. I very much doubt that a none English speaker will have waded through all of the 40+ pages anyway.

exactly. good speech ...

[nbshif]

i find it funny that the guys who want synth1 to stay the same and are criticizing people for demanding new features are actually the ones demanding things. but the dudes who who have been suggesting new features don't seem to be demanding anything at all, just playing all along in the new update fun

[brok landers]

>snip< sensless comment

conclusion: there's no reason to unnecessarily limit synth1.

First of all, your "apple vs oranges" example slowly start to go onto my nerves. I know that hardware is not the same as software. I mentioned it as example, god dammit!

but you know the definition of "example", do you??? how can you give examples that don't really have any connection with the discused, and then being pissed if someone deconstructs your arguments? sorry, but that's a nogo ...

But I know for a fact, that no synthesizer needs to be your modern monster like ACE, Alchemy or Omnisphere (o-wait, that's a rompler). We have that already, and we have enough basic 1-2 OSC synths in SE form already as well.

see? you do it again ... if there's millions of se creations out that are the same "1-2 osc synths", why is it synth1 that is so popular? you destroy your own arguments ... aslo, again, get that already:
noone wants to turn synth 1 into alchemy, or omnisphere or ace! i repeat: N O O N E. this is just your completeley unnecessary fear, and it's based on _nothing_ but assumptions. up to now nothing was implemented into synth1 that destroys the way you want to work with it, nor the compatibility. it's just additions that you don't have to use, if you don't want to. what the fvck are you mad at?????

Actually there is a real reason to limit Synth1:
To leave it as it is, and as it was aimed at in the first place.

we've been on the "selfish" thingy already. so in essence:
just because _you_ are afraid that _you_ loose something (which is based on no valid argument up to now), others, that would love to see the evolving of synth1 and that are the _majority_ shouldn't have it?????? who the fvck are you to demand this??? are you the developer???? are you in any way any authority here to demand that the developer of synth1 has to stop the continuous evolving of his _own_ products????
look, we both have wishes. they are contrary, but in summary we would be even. now, what sets you apart is the fact that _you_ demand, but i add feature requests (which are freely choosen to be ignored by ichiro) and bug reports to this thread. now where's your constructive contribution other than moaning around like a baby that synth1 takes its next, very natural step in evolution?????

Add more features, and you have Synth X/Y that you can get on the market already! Dammit, if I look at the recent made posts what to implement, I might as well get another Oatmetal, or Atlantis out of it! Or simply use that one instead of waiting for Synth1 to "implement" the very same stuff!

Do you want that? Do you you really want that?!

it gets better and better ... unbelievable ... are you really telling me that, if synth 1 gets more features, it's the same as atlantis or oatmeal???
you were theone who said in a previous post that the sound engine of synth 1 is different and that this is one of the reasons why it is so successful, and suddenly, just because modulation possibilities and functionality is added, the engine sounds different???? especially, if you load patches that did not make any use of the new features, which are _all 8700_ up to now???
sorry, but i can't take you serious ...

I love Synth1's boundaries, it's sound, it's simplicity. I grew up with it, and so did ton of users. The constant "I want this, I want that" and "there will nothing be changed" (which is NOT TRUE btw) is doing more damadge than good. Seriously! I actually beg Ichiro Toda right now to LEAVE Synth1 alone as is. There are enough features added and the simplicity as just not there anymore!

unbelievable .. just because _you_ now have to learn enhanced synthesis of some kind in order to keep going with synth1, you want all others to accept the limitations??? so everyone who can deal with a bit more complexity have to pull back because _you_ can't??? go and learn, maybe you can actually gain some knowledge out of the generous updates of synth1! sheesh ...

note:
i'm not saying it has to be blindley and vastley updated til no tomorrow. but careful, thoughtover updating is the way to go.

No, it's not. This is creating a new synth.

bullshit. sorry. underlined it for you again.
here's news for you: grown ups are calling this "evolution".

Furthermore,

i'd love to see it being updated to be a monster synth.

contradicts with:

noone said it has to be a monster. all we want is, to be able to get max out of the synthesis it already provides.

First you want it to be a monster, then you don't?
(yeah, I can play the same mind-tricks!)

won't work as it seems that you can't even read correctly. so just for you:
the first statement was about tal electro.
the second was a general statement that a synth not necessarily has to become a monster when just updated carefully to the state one can use the synthesis it provides to max extend, if he needs to.
entirely different things that you took completeley out of context.

again, nothing changes for you - if you don't want the new features, just don't use them, that easy ...

It's as easy as saying "don't want it, don't load it".
This argument is stupid and invalid >snip<.

and yet it is exactly like you say - dont want it? then just don't load it.
i have deleted tons of unnecessary stuff off my vst folder, and i do that regulary. called discipline ... don't blame it on others ...

Personally I NEVER asked for ton of new features. Just two: more compatibibilty to the Nord Lead 1 Presets and sound (since it's somehow a clone, and tons of presets are converted) and VST2.4 technology for longlivety. I didn't ask for anything else.

and again he goes ... so just because you are satisfied with synth1 it means there's no reason to constantly update it and add new useful features?? who are you to decide this?????

I remember you constantly bragging about the "sound" of Synth1, and that it's not a NordClone until some specific modulation is attached to the synth. Then ton of other stuff on top of the ones I read your recent posts.

erm, what's that got to do with this at all????
no, synth1 isn't a nordlead clone. it misses the most crucial function for that. but does that mean that i don't like synth1???? who said so??? all pure assumptions based on nothing valid, as always ...

Suggestion: add Velocity to the src 1/src 2 mapping. That way i can use velocity to control the decay lenght of a tone. Kinda like soft velocity makes a guitar sound go like a pluck thing and hard velocity gives the sound longer tone.

See what that turns into?!

exactly!!! and right he is! i already requested exactly this in one of my older fr's here in this thread. once and for all, GET IT: it is useful! if _you_ don't have a clue _why_ that is, learn and gain the knowledge, instead of criticising the valid request of one of the best sounddesigners there is ... and i mean michael kastrup, not myself, just so you get thatone straight ...

This is what worries me the most. You (brok) constantly say "no changes added, just more features", but this is the first step of creating a totally new synthesizer.

oh my gooooddd - it's ... features ... features everywhere ... i .. cannont ... breathe ...

You know what, brok. I give up discussing with you for today. You write and write and write and stomp others rock bottom while not accepting different opinions on that issue. I'm so sick of it - so I leave it be.

really funny ... you really describe exactly what _you_ do, exept you really think that it's me ...
i'm out ... don't worry, i won't reply to your posts here anymore, i'll keep on trying to add constructivness and helping to evolve synth1 to where it belongs to, not where _you_ want it to stick for all times ...


now back to topic ...

[brok landers]

i find it funny that the guys who want synth1 to stay the same and are criticizing people for demanding new features are actually the ones demanding things. but the dudes who who have been suggesting new features don't seem to be demanding anything at all, just playing all along in the new update fun

looong story short. thank you.

[3ee]

Ok.. this is getting a bit funny. Why don't you guys trust that Mr. Daichi would do a good job on this update series? He created Synth1, remember? .. so I'm sure he will update Synth1 reasonably, with thought power and would not include all the unnecessary suggested features that will probably make Synth1 fit on two screans

And.... all we did was gave some suggestions (in our, personal opinions)... Sure I don't like all the suggested features but you can't brutally disagree with someone's nice stated, polite opinion/suggestion. Only old, grumpy conservatives would do that ...and start getting defensive... it's all over the history.
Anyway, we got to learn to respect other people's opinions because we can have one of our own as well. (And hopefully not have the opinion to not care about other people's opinions)

Look .. for exemple; I like and use Synth1 myself, but if the sound doesn't get updated I will slowly stop using it... sure I'll be a bit sad about that... but at least I respect other people's opinions... including Ichiro Toda's one for possibly not taking my suggestions in consideration. afterall it's his synth!

Compyfox, crimsonwarlock ... in my office, NOW!!! ...

Ichiro Toda saves the day with another great update!

So.. just sit back, relax and enjoy.. whatever happens!

[jobromedia]

With 1.11 out I think it is time to give some future plans from me. Once my current asignment is over I've decided to dive in hard and create a bank of at least 64 sounds for Synth1. There is just one thing I'd love to see: More colors, maybe even add RGB colors so one can define their own colors. It would also be good if you could make the preset selection a bit easier than it is now, how about adding the load grid so you can visually see where your patch will be stored, maybe even clickable so you can select the position you want. Another feature that has probably been up before is this: Why not add the LFO's EG's to the modulation function. You can allready control most parameters that way, so think how cool wouldn't it be to control the phaser rate with a random LFO, and having the 2nd control the first LFO's speed. Now that is pretty cool to have handy.

[glasgene]

looking through this now I know why I spend less time here, free synth (very good free synth for that matter) and still people want more or spend their time arguing with others, make some music FFS!!

[rasmusklump]

Brok and Compy,

Can you please do your private stuff in a separate thread ?
thank you

[Kriminal]

[crimsonwarlock]

Why don't you guys trust that Mr. Daichi would do a good job on this update series? He created Synth1, remember? .. so I'm sure he will update Synth1 reasonably, with thought power and would not include all the unnecessary suggested features that will probably make Synth1 fit on two screans

Well, this is very much hitting on the point I try to make: I do trust that Ichiro Toda can do a good job. He has proven that years ago without any doubt. The point is that he made clear, very early in this discussion, what he wants to do with Synth1. But instead of saying thanks for those upcoming features and maybe suggest how his perceived additions could be implemented, people are screaming for attention to THEIR requests. Look back through this discussion's pages; you will see requests that are point by point ran through bablefish and posted in (arguably 'good readable') Japanese. You will see people who added bigger fonts, red colored headings and what else to rise above the whole mess this topic already has turned into..... and you (and others here) really think that this is not putting any ppressure on Ichiro Toda to deviate from his initially posted intentions????

If so, think again

So here is my request: @Ichiro Toda aka Daichi: please ignore all the requests to build Synth1 into something else. Stay close to your own plans as only YOU know what's best for Synth1. It's your creation and a GREAT one. The plans you posted earlier will bring that much more to Synth1 while it will still be the Synth1 we have learned to know and respect.

[brok landers]

Brok and Compy,

Can you please do your private stuff in a separate thread ?
thank you

i already said i won't post back and stay with the topic.

[brok landers]

With 1.11 out I think it is time to give some future plans from me. Once my current asignment is over I've decided to dive in hard and create a bank of at least 64 sounds for Synth1. There is just one thing I'd love to see: More colors, maybe even add RGB colors so one can define their own colors. It would also be good if you could make the preset selection a bit easier than it is now, how about adding the load grid so you can visually see where your patch will be stored, maybe even clickable so you can select the position you want. Another feature that has probably been up before is this: Why not add the LFO's EG's to the modulation function. You can allready control most parameters that way, so think how cool wouldn't it be to control the phaser rate with a random LFO, and having the 2nd control the first LFO's speed. Now that is pretty cool to have handy.

ditto, see here:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 07#4080207