Tone2 Rayblaster: OUT NOW! (demo version available)

[Ingonator]

Hi Ingo,

Yup would love to give them a try!!

Already enjoying some of your previous efforts - so thank you.

Mark

PM sent.

Those were finished yesterday in the late evening so i am just starting using some of those myself...
I started using my preset called "SaurusRezMorph IW" for testing as that uses the Moswheel for morphing to a resonant waveform which is good for testing purposes. That presets uses a PW of 50 which result in two detuned saws for each oscillator.
For the resonant waveforms playing with e.g. Formant knob, filter envelope amount and filter key follow are the most interesting tweaks. With adjusting the harmonic and start phase parameters you could better adjust the waveform to your needs and with "PW sequences" you could get a different waveshape.
For analog lead sounds an osc window like e.g. "Soft Saw" should be OK and for BP filters maybe a "Cosine" window.

After some tests i will see if i have to improve some of the waveforms or not.


Ingo

[MaxSynths]

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Radio Gaga

Does these sounds have that "sheen"? That particular unpleasant sound?
Yes, I understand that is too risky for everyone to reply... (maybe it's not a Tone2 synth )

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Is this mixed dry?

the mix, especially the drums sounds like it has lots of high end added and almost like an exciter type of sound on the mix..

that is it could be tone2 stuff or anything with added high end and excited type effects added..

rsp

Ok I was just kidding, there are no traps here (I've created this short demo just for fun). The only synth used is ElectraX, by the way the drums are a dry loop so it's strange that you can hear the same effect on it.

Concerning the psychoacustic effect in Tone2 stuff it's something that I like, but I must admit that I'm a psychoacustic addicted since my teegage years
Usually I add some psychoacustic tratment on all virtual synths tracks (in fact almost all soft synths out there sounds dull to me , but this could depend by my addiction).

In any case the COOL thing (:hihi:) is that you can turn off the psychoacustic effect, at least in ElectraX and Rayblaster, which is a good thing since it seems is not well tolerated and appreciated by all.

[zvenx]

so the drums have no psychoacoustic effect on it or no effect?

hmm.. but you don't hear to your ears how it doesn't sound dry at all?

At the very least it has some delay in it? it won't be warmverb delay per chance?


rsp

[exi]

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Radio Gaga

Does these sounds have that "sheen"? That particular unpleasant sound?
Yes, I understand that is too risky for everyone to reply... (maybe it's not a Tone2 synth )

.....

Is this mixed dry?

the mix, especially the drums sounds like it has lots of high end added and almost like an exciter type of sound on the mix..

that is it could be tone2 stuff or anything with added high end and excited type effects added..

rsp

Ok I was just kidding, there are no traps here (I've created this short demo just for fun). The only synth used is ElectraX, by the way the drums are a dry loop so it's strange that you can hear the same effect on it.

Concerning the psychoacustic effect in Tone2 stuff it's something that I like, but I must admit that I'm a psychoacustic addicted since my teegage years
Usually I add some psychoacustic tratment on all virtual synths tracks (in fact almost all soft synths out there sounds dull to me , but this could depend by my addiction).

In any case the COOL thing (:hihi:) is that you can turn off the psychoacustic effect, at least in ElectraX and Rayblaster, which is a good thing since it seems is not well tolerated and appreciated by all.

hi, one question - if i turn off psycho acoustic fx on tone2 synth and add akoustix vst as insert fx - can i achieve same result?

[MaxSynths]

so the drums have no psychoacoustic effect on it or no effect?

No, no effect at all.

hmm.. but you don't hear to your ears how it doesn't sound dry at all?

No, for me it sound dry. This is the drum track alone:

Demo drums

At the very least it has some delay in it? it won't be warmverb delay per chance?

Nice try Sherlock Holmes, but I don't own Warmverb.
I'm planning to use this clip for a demo and since the clip stop abruptly I've added some delay on the last beat (currently it's the CEP delay).

[MaxSynths]

hi, one question - if i turn off psycho acoustic fx on tone2 synth and add akoustix vst as insert fx - can i achieve same result?

Well It's possible if you tweak the parameters in the right way (I suppose). BTW I think AkustiX works better on full mixes as a mastering tool.

If you plan to add some psychoacustic enhancement to the final track using AkustiX I think it's a good idea to turn it off in the synths.

[Sendy]

I'd say the confusion stems from the fact that the Radio Gaga drumloop has a sort of echo effect built in. TO my ears it sounds like Kick (ghostkick) Snare (ghostsnare), but that could just be some other quaver-motion sample being triggered behind the main beat giving that effect.

[LeVzi]

Any of the dubstep producers tried RB yet ? I'd be interested to hear how you make it growl

[zvenx]

I'd say the confusion stems from the fact that the Radio Gaga drumloop has a sort of echo effect built in. TO my ears it sounds like Kick (ghostkick) Snare (ghostsnare), but that could just be some other quaver-motion sample being triggered behind the main beat giving that effect.

right. so it isn't dry....it sounds like a delay to me...
but right it may not be psychoacoustics..

btw once again I want to say that I do hear a sameness but it isn't a bad thing for me.

rsp

[MaxSynths]

I'd say the confusion stems from the fact that the Radio Gaga drumloop has a sort of echo effect built in. TO my ears it sounds like Kick (ghostkick) Snare (ghostsnare), but that could just be some other quaver-motion sample being triggered behind the main beat giving that effect.

right. so it isn't dry....it sounds like a delay to me...
but right it may not be psychoacoustics..

Ok I don't want to turn the thread in a Radio GaGa thread
BTW the loop IS dry. There is no echo or delay; simply the kick and the snare are playing very close beats on some spots. Now the fact that you are hearing things that do not exists is interesting

[Sendy]

Ok so if I program or even play a beat and use velocity to make it sound echoed and someone thinks there's an echo effect on it, they are hearing things, right? After all, it's just a beat with some ghost notes that sound like echoes, not actual echoes produced by a digital or real echo chamber.

That's some pretty mean logic right there

[zvenx]

that loop can't be dry. you may not have processed then in electraX.....but whoever created them, must have used efx on them at some point.

for instance:


Dry loop

Effected loop


but I am sure you know all of this.. Max

rsp

edit: maybe the drum sounds that were made to create the loop aren't dry.
I am still maintaining that those aren't a dry drum loop.

[Brittlestem]

I'd say the confusion stems from the fact that the Radio Gaga drumloop has a sort of echo effect built in. TO my ears it sounds like Kick (ghostkick) Snare (ghostsnare), but that could just be some other quaver-motion sample being triggered behind the main beat giving that effect.

right. so it isn't dry....it sounds like a delay to me...
but right it may not be psychoacoustics..

Now the fact that you are hearing things that do not exists is interesting

It's great advertising for your soundsets, this smug laughing at those who disagree with you.

[zvenx]

Ironically I like Max's work in the tone2 stuff for the most part. He even uses pitchbend conventionally like I like it mapped, in most of his patches....

rsp

[MaxSynths]

@Sendy: you are right. By the way here we were talking about an echo/delay effect, like in DSP. If I see a score by Beethoven with 4 C notes one afte the other I don't call it a delay

@zvenx: Yes I know all this, in fact I'm the one that created the loop and every single beat which compose it (I'm not sure what you tried to demonstrate with your audio examples).

@re_mute and all: well this is funny.

First because here there's nothing to disagree: I have created that drum sounds and I have created the loop. The loop do not contain any effect other than the "ghost notes" which Sandy recognized, so I have the right to laugh. It's not a matter of opinion: the loop is dry

The second funny thing is that I've posted an audio example about synth sounds (this was the topic...) and I don't know why we are talking about the drum part; now if you tell me that the synth sounds have the psychoacustic characteristic we were talking about this is fine (and I also admitted that svenx was right)... but why on earth we are talking about the drums?? The drum loops has been used as an accompainment for the synth sounds.

The third funny thing is that you are taking this whole thing too seriously. I've just posted a clip and svenx confirmed that he can here the psychoacustic sound of Tone2 synths and I confirmed that I've used ElectraX in it.

Then there's a fourth point:

It's great advertising for your soundsets

I don't need advertising and this comment do not make any sense in this context. Are you serious guys? That's why sometimes people thinks that this forum has a relevant troll activity. We are talking about synthesizers and the conversation now is focused on the drum loop used in a demo song? There are only two possible explanations: trolling or stupidity.