Waldorf Pulse 2: officially released (OS updated to v1.18)

[EvilDragon]

Whatever makes u happy,

I know i have put my point across for who is interested and so have other people,.

Don't assume that people are just asking for things they don't understand, if you want you can keep your 7 bit pulse after they updated if they ever do it.

Your the one who mention aliasing in the first place, when i was talking about an lfo and fm synthesis on the pulse.
I said would be nice to get the rate in hertz, not like a priority just as a nice touch to add, because you see no use of that, don't assume everyone is the same way.
You know what i meant but prefers to discredit and make it seem nonsense, take the awards my friend, i have no ego issues.

If u have to make arguments of everything and prove people wrong with your 100 years of chat room experience, I am glad i can make someone happy while here who seems lonely and in need for a girlfriend.
and yes some modulation, especially slow modulations on this synth makes it sound a bit digital but again, that has nothing to do with the low resolution midi you say!

Dude, just be a man and stay with 7 bit forever since your so happy and loving the stepping!

You're funny.

1. I mentioned aliasing MIGHT HAPPEN in case LFOs are digital and their frequency steps over half the control rate. I didn't say "more analog aliasing", that was your crowning jewel of a statement.
2. I never said there's no use in having LFO rate parameter in Hertz.
3. I have no ego issues either, but I have issues when somebody is producing nonsensical statements and I feel the need to correct them.
4. I have a fianceé and am about to get married in May next year.
5. I never said I love parameter stepping, nor that I want to stay with 7-bit MIDI forever.

[Goldenage2012]

Whatever makes u happy,

I know i have put my point across for who is interested and so have other people,.

Don't assume that people are just asking for things they don't understand, if you want you can keep your 7 bit pulse after they updated if they ever do it.

Your the one who mention aliasing in the first place, when i was talking about an lfo and fm synthesis on the pulse.
I said would be nice to get the rate in hertz, not like a priority just as a nice touch to add, because you see no use of that, don't assume everyone is the same way.
You know what i meant but prefers to discredit and make it seem nonsense, take the awards my friend, i have no ego issues.

If u have to make arguments of everything and prove people wrong with your 100 years of chat room experience, I am glad i can make someone happy while here who seems lonely and in need for a girlfriend.
and yes some modulation, especially slow modulations on this synth makes it sound a bit digital but again, that has nothing to do with the low resolution midi you say!

Dude, just be a man and stay with 7 bit forever since your so happy and loving the stepping!

You're funny.

1. I mentioned aliasing MIGHT HAPPEN in case LFOs are digital and their frequency steps over half the control rate. I didn't say "more analog aliasing", that was your crowning jewel of a statement.
2. I never said there's no use in having LFO rate parameter in Hertz.
3. I have no ego issues either, but I have issues when somebody is producing nonsensical statements and I feel the need to correct them.
4. I have a fianceé and am about to get married in May next year.
5. I never said I love parameter stepping, nor that I want to stay with 7-bit MIDI forever.[/quote


Thank you,

your are funny yourself.


I have other analog synths and while their fully analog they behave quite different from pulse, if the pulse is fully analog with digital controls, what it it making it sound more digital? Is it the analog components or the midi software that is controlling it?


I payed 800 dollars for this synth and would love 14 bit midi controls, like other synths on this price range have, is that a crime?

Are you gonna be after me, trying to get me on a mistake and focus the attention of this conversation in terminology, maybe use your intelligence in a mutual interest, rather then making arguments against what you also want.

Truth is some modulated sounds (lfos, fm..)on pulse 2 do sound like digital artifacts when modulated and iam pretty sure u understood but preferred to take the conversation in a different direction.

So not only the stepping would benefit from such implementation but the whole synth in general i would think.

If you say you agree this synth would benefit from 14 bit resolution midi, you should try to keep the conversation focus on that, i would think?!

I am happy that your getting married my friend and wish you sincerely the best of luck

[EvilDragon]

Analog components can also sound "clean" or "clinical" which some might link to "digital" - especially modern ones, because they are more precise than older analog components - instabilities are not there. In fact, that's where most VCO vs DCO discussions fall into.

Truth is some modulated sounds (lfos, fm..)on pulse 2 do sound like digital artifacts when modulated

That doesn't have to mean they ARE digital artifacts at all. That just might be the sound those analog components are producing, and that isn't and wouldn't be strange by any measure. Increasing the parameter range to 14-bit wouldn't change this behaviour - and I can guarantee you that.

[lalo]

Increasing the parameter range to 14-bit wouldn't change this behaviour

agree. the only "internal" limit wich is not so analog is the 1000hz update rate for the internal modulation. this means that a Sine wave LFO running at 500hz wouldn't be a sine wave but a square wave ( -1 / +1 alternating at every sample ).
This have an impact on analog "(im)purity".
But i guess that if one want a pure analog machine should look at other stuff. Euro-rack modulars and the likes. Or semi-modular stuff like MS-20 mini or Microbrute.
Pulse2 seems a very compact desktop solution for an (almost entirely) analog solution.
Given that there are no CV inputs for critical parameters and the only way to get external modulation is MIDI CC, well, the 14-bit format will be more "analog-like" given the higher resolution. It will be still digital but with more resolution.

[faun2500]

4. I have a fianceé and am about to get married in May next year.

I'm married already. I win. Close thread!
























Seriously though, Congratulations.

Lets stop petty arguments now and return to the pulse 2. Any new wicked audio demos???

[namnibor]

We should also be thankful that Waldorf indeed has a whole sound unto it's own; whether that be a purely digital synth or new analog such as Pulse 2. Matter-in-fact, reading some older FTP Server Archives of former incarnation of Waldorf when the Classic Pulse and Pulse+ was released, there were some that thought Waldorf's unique analog sound was a bit 'digital', but that certainly did not prevent all the great music of 90's to be made, driven by the extreme analog abilities of Pulse.
Also glad that Pulse 2 is not simply a carbon copy of Classic Pulse AND it's not yet another carbon copy of IMO the very tiredly overused SH101 or TB303...diversity is a really great thing in one's synth arsenal!

Perhaps we should give the programmers/code folk at Waldorf time to do their best to implement suggestions made here, be fortunate that voices are actually heard, and be somewhat mature about these things and simply agree to disagree on certain things.
We could instead be learning more about midi, resolution, and advanced modulation faculties from each other as well as more great audio demos of Pulse 2 and more about aforementioned cv/gate control and how this is set-up and used in-practice with Pulse 2.
More possible info on the supposedly planned Pulse 2 Keyboard would be really tasty info as well

Group hug...or not

[Goldenage2012]

We did all agree that we really like this synth, and we also agree that 14 bit implementation would be better. For whatever reason each one has or thinks he may have for it.

I don't get the arguments and really i think we could be talking about it more positively and use our intelligence to bring creative ideas to help improvise whats already great , this is not a competition of who's right or who thinks knows more, is?!


Peace, love and pulse 2 with 14 bit midi

[Goldenage2012]

Increasing the parameter range to 14-bit wouldn't change this behaviour

agree. the only "internal" limit wich is not so analog is the 1000hz update rate for the internal modulation. this means that a Sine wave LFO running at 500hz wouldn't be a sine wave but a square wave ( -1 / +1 alternating at every sample ).
This have an impact on analog "(im)purity".
But i guess that if one want a pure analog machine should look at other stuff. Euro-rack modulars and the likes. Or semi-modular stuff like MS-20 mini or Microbrute.
Pulse2 seems a very compact desktop solution for an (almost entirely) analog solution.
Given that there are no CV inputs for critical parameters and the only way to get external modulation is MIDI CC, well, the 14-bit format will be more "analog-like" given the higher resolution. It will be still digital but with more resolution.

The reason i asked for 14 bit resolution lfo was more related in being able to do it hertz, so when you would be at 10 or 20 hertz you would know exactly at what speed you were, not really for high speed lfos as it becomes fm..this was taken out off context as other comments before..

I have already modular pure analog machines, and digital controlled synths, besides pulse, so i may know that 7 bit its quite different then 14 bit digital controls in an analog synth.

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[acidfever]

Lets stop petty arguments now and return to the pulse 2.

Amen to that!

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[Ingonator]

Hi everyone,

at the Beta forum there just was a reminder that current developments including e.g. any plans for implementing 14-bit Midi are confidential and under NDA.

This means that i and other beta testers are not allowed to talk about those developments until they are officially released.

I will try to respect this and i hope that other here will not force me or other testers to post confidential informations.

From now on you will only receive such informations after an official release, if Waldorf allows it or one of the developers posts himself.

I hope you understand this.


Ingo

[Kriminal]

I will try to respect this and i hope that other here will not forece me or other testers to post confidential informations.

Erm, how would someone force you to break the nda?

[Ingonator]

I will try to respect this and i hope that other here will not forece me or other testers to post confidential informations.

Erm, how would someone force you to break the nda?

e.g. begging me or others for giving informations until i or others maybe post some?

Would not be the first time people try this here at KVR...

I understood that besides possible breaches of the NDA there also seem to be practical reasons for not talking about current developments or plans here. I will not dicuss this in detail.

I know that some people will start a discussion about this and will try begging for informations in the future but my statement above (in my last post) is serious.



Ingo

[chk071]

This cat will be shot if you don't give us info:





Joke of course. But at the end, it is you who signs the NDA, and you are responsible for what you do.

[msepsis]

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As posted at the Waldorf forum by Rob Wentz another Pulse 2 editor is in the works here:

http://www.monstrummedia.com/ (http://www.monstrummedia.com/)



This developer seems to be focused on editors for Waldorf synths. Next seems to be a Blofeld editor.


Ingo

Thanks for the plug there Ingo, it was a while ago but I am getting close to releasing this editor. I just recently released my blofeld editor and it's been incredibly successful so far. I'll be applying the knowledge gained from all my previous Waldorf synth editors to this one, I'm aiming to release by December 1st.

monstrumPulse is next - the software editor for the waldorf Pulse and Pulse 2 synthesizer

It's cross platform, works as a standalone and VST (AU coming soon). Currently there is no program manager but it will come in a future update. There's an assignable XY pad where you can assign any 0-127 param to either X or Y axis, There's a sustain lock button which comes in handy when sound designing and there are also selectable parameter randomization.

With that said there are still a LOT of limitations to the Pulse 2 in terms of remotely editing programs.

The Pulse 2 does *not* refresh the LCD screen after receiving a parameter value update - even program name.. this means after any remote edit the only way to *see* that edit on the pulse 2's LCD is to twiddle a knob to send some draw command to the LCD, then and only then any change sent to the pulse 2 will be visually seen on the Pulse 2's LCD.

The lack of any Program Dump Request SysEx command is a big one too. the Implication is that without a dump request message you manually must send a prog dump after changing progs from any remote editor/software in order to send the current program's parameter values to the editor/sw.

There also is no sysex command to
Store Program
Compare Program
Recall Program

remotely

Additionally here is no way to edit the pulse2's vastly extensive arpeggiator pattern editor remotely - That's a huge missed opportunity as editing the arpeggitor pattern on the pulse 2 alone is like designing with boxing gloves on. That's just my opinion but it's hard to look at it any other way. The synth was however just released so I suspect many of these items will be addressed in future OS updates.

Lastly - and I have seen this mentioned by a few users here - Even with that GIANT LCD display on the pulse 2 there is no way currently to monitor parameter value changes that are made remotely.

From a sonic standpoint none of this stuff really matters - but if you want to edit programs efficiently these items are/will continue to be be incredibly frustrating if not addressed by Waldorf.

I saw some comment regarding the cost of this editor. Clearly the Pulse 2 is nowhere NEAR as complicated as the MicrowaveXT as there are no wavetables or waveforms to edit (which my monstrumWave editor gives you the ability to do - hence the price of that editor and the microwave 1 editor!) The price for this editor will be somewhere between my rocket and blofeld editors as the complexity of the synth fits between those two.
Like all my software I am constantly developing and improving and applying knowledge gained from one editor to my others. They have been hugely successful and tried and tested by the most enthusiastic of waldorf synth users in the real-world. I am in the first beta testing phase at the moment with monstrumpulse, for updates and release info keep your eyes on:
http://www.monstrummedia.com/ (http://www.monstrummedia.com/)!

[Kriminal]

I will try to respect this and i hope that other here will not forece me or other testers to post confidential informations.

Erm, how would someone force you to break the nda?

e.g. begging me or others for giving informations until i or others maybe post some?

Would not be the first time people try this here at KVR...

I understood that besides possible breaches of the NDA there also seem to be practical reasons for not talking about current developments or plans here. I will not dicuss this in detail.

I know that some people will start a discussion about this and will try begging for informations in the future but my statement above (in my last post) is serious.

Ingo, all you have to do is refuse to post anything that breaks the nda...ppl can beg as much as they want