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dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:13 pm

There ya go hibidy

Thanks Thomas!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:22 pm

dsan@mail.com wrote:Am I hopeful additional features will be implemented soon? Absolutely. Do I expect they will be implemented soon? While I doubt it I do remain hopeful - but I'm not to the point I find BWS unusable.

I agree "One shouldn't be pinning hopes on future fixes....". Instead, one should understand the software is what it is today. If one buys in one should not consider it is or will be something else later.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Lots of times a new product has an early adopter price... people buy it knowing there are likely to be some issues and with the expectation that they will be fixed/improved.

I may well have purchased Bitwig Studio if there had been an early adopter price even though I had/have no expectation to use it for 6 months or even a year. As it is, it has too many issues and deficiencies for me to depend on so there is no incentive to hand over my cash now...

After the initial 1.0 release, Bitwig was quickly putting out bug fix updates but that has slowed way down now. It has been a month since 1.0.8. My guess is it will be later rather than sooner before Bitwig is well rounded and solid.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 7:28 pm

Well, bigger fixes and improvements need more time. Those superfast updates in the beginning were needed, but you don't want to keep such a pace forever since you can't do more substantial work that way.

Some companies have sales, some don't, some have an introductory price, some don't.
However you deal with it, somebody will have something to say about it.

Why not being happy that it wasn't below your threshold so you didn't buy it right away before it was in a state where you can fully agree with? What would be the point of buying it to then shelf it for 6 months?

Cheers,

Tom

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:10 pm

These things usually take care of themselves. If $399 is so high that they can't sell enough product to stay viable, that will eventually be clear enough to them without any of our input.

If that happens they'll adjust in some way, or go under. If it doesn't change over the next couple of years we can logically assume that means that they're selling enough product to remain viable.

How much does X widget cost? Whatever the market will reasonably bear.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:54 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 9&t=409756

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 9&t=407482

Cheers,

Tom

thanks

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Tue Jun 03, 2014 11:57 pm

@explantion dsan:

There are a couple of anomalies when using H EQ (waves) where closing the project causes a crash

Now with vitamin, if you try to drag an instance onto a track that has RMX, crash. Pretty much 100% but the workaround is to go back to 44.1k, make a group with that rack/rmx/vitamin, go back to 48k and walla! It works.

The problem is I'm spoiled. I'm so used to stuff working w/o all this annoying trouble shooting. But I'm just venting, it's not the end of the world.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:45 am

A lot of cool stuff being made with it. It's the musician, not the tools but seems that bitwig rolls right there.

Dazed Veins · Post by **Dazed Veins** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 7:21 am

We are speaking about a beta project. As simple as that. If BWS has such a nice workflow, why are most topics at Bitwig forum about 'workarounds'? Someone?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:40 am

ThomasHelzle wrote:Well, bigger fixes and improvements need more time. Those superfast updates in the beginning were needed, but you don't want to keep such a pace forever since you can't do more substantial work that way.

Those initial updates fixed plenty of bugs and added a fair number of small but valuable improvements.

There are still lots of bugs of the sort fixed in the initial updates, and tons of little improvements needed. Forget forever, they only kept that pace for 1 month... and now 1 month of silence and very little forum feedback...

I'd rather they kept that pace longer until the current software is more solid, rather than get into adding bigger features... That of course is merely a personal preference...

ThomasHelzle wrote:Why not being happy that it wasn't below your threshold so you didn't buy it right away before it was in a state where you can fully agree with? What would be the point of buying it to then shelf it for 6 months?

Save some money with an intro price and also support the software... an intro price seems smart to me when the software is very much a beta...

Nothing I said indicated either happiness or unhappiness with the circumstance... but in general you seem to be more concerned with happiness than I am

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 8:42 am

Dazed Veins wrote:We are speaking about a beta project. As simple as that. If BWS has such a nice workflow, why are most topics at Bitwig forum about 'workarounds'? Someone?

Bitwig has a good 'potential' workflow

I really like the hybrid tracks and being able to bounce a midi clip in place while keeping other midi clips on the track... for example...

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 9:36 am

Dazed Veins wrote:We are speaking about a beta project. As simple as that. If BWS has such a nice workflow, why are most topics at Bitwig forum about 'workarounds'? Someone?

Because people go to a forum when they encounter problems, not when they are jammin away happily. That's what forums are there for mostly and it's the same for every company here on KVR.

Cheers,

Tom

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 11:43 am

pdxindy wrote:Nothing I said indicated either happiness or unhappiness with the circumstance... but in general you seem to be more concerned with happiness than I am

That of course is totally possible

Cheers,

Tom

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:24 pm

Bitwig is like Rodney Dangerfield, it gets no respect.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 1:55 pm

haha!

Look, here's the bottom line. Despite the teasing and all that, if people can make beautiful music with it, then it's cool.

LawrenceF · Post by **LawrenceF** » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:10 pm

hibidy wrote:haha!

Look, here's the bottom line. Despite the teasing and all that, if people can make beautiful music with it, then it's cool.

Yeah. I actually think they're onto something good there, but it will take a couple of major versions to flesh it all fully out. I'd say the same for S1 actually, where it didn't really start showing the long term vision until 2.5 or so.

They say they plan to add VSTI multi-outs at 1.1 so, that will help. As it stands now, it's (imo) kind of GarageBand Plus, in it's current state. It has a ways to go. The next big question / net debate fodder will be what the upgrade price to 2.0 will be.

But yeah, they're kinda birthing a baby so... it will take some time.

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