Pulsar 900 Series

[Cinebient]

I guess that the only thing that is troublesome to port is all the GUI part. DSPwise I think that the port can be quite straightforward. That's why a multiplatform environment / library like JUCE is a great idea.

I also think the GUI side might he biggest part.
At least he uses Apple´s metal for the graphics and i don´t know of another plug-in which can zoom so smooth and nicely.
I don´t know why so many desktop tools sucks at the GUI (compared to iOS, ja ja....).
Not all have bad GUI´s but damn what crap is out there like KLC, Virsyn and a lot stuff.
But there are good one too like Sugar Bytes, U-he and a few others.
I have the feeling the whole desktop world is so slow to adopt to new things.
You will see, in 10 years all you see are f...... tablets.

[pulsarmodular]

As if macOS platform isn't devoid of piracy, come on.

Maybe true but i´m sure you know what i mean. The problem could get much bigger.
I also remember (maybe i´m wrong and confuse it with another thing) that P900 was planned as iOS app but because of some trouble and also that Model 15 was released about the same time it was cancelled. And i think iOS and mac has more in common as windows and mac.
I might be wrong on this because sometimes my mind playing games with me
Of course in a perfect world every tools should run on every OS on every device if you ask me.

Indeed that is exactly what happened. I had planned on an iOS port as the differences are small and the graphics API is the same. However, Moog released their Model 15 just hours after I announced the P900 release (see Gearslutz), and that killed the iOS platform market for the P900.

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

[Cinebient]

Yes, dev said so himself, all the DSP is portable C/C++. Which makes the proposition that a port is unlikely such a bummer, hence my suggestion to subcontract the GUI porting...

He could talk to Urs.

Anyway, sooner or later someone will come out with exactly the same quality and idea for windows, and Pulsarmodular will have lost their chance to get rich.

It´s for the love! Not to get rich
Maybe Moog makes a System 55 plug-in......wait....they also prefer iOS.
I mean there is Reaktor and VCV and stuff. But for me it´s the convergence of GUI, sound and limited but high quality modules of this thing which i like.
Maybe Reaktor can do it all but i really don´t like it. Terrible GUI and workflow.
P900 has a certain character (it might be the famous Moog thing) i love and really can´t get out of other tools so easy. Maybe The Legend or Monark can do but i failed to like them so much.
The only other synths which having other characters but are on the same high level for me are Repro, Dagger and Zeeon (that other iOS only thing i often praise). Maybe Korgs Arp Odyssey too.
ACE also is great and has a lot analogue tone inside.....at least for my ears.
All these synths having something which is close to perfect for me when it comes to OSC, FX, workflow and modulation options.

[egbert101]

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[Cinebient]

As if macOS platform isn't devoid of piracy, come on.

Maybe true but i´m sure you know what i mean. The problem could get much bigger.
I also remember (maybe i´m wrong and confuse it with another thing) that P900 was planned as iOS app but because of some trouble and also that Model 15 was released about the same time it was cancelled. And i think iOS and mac has more in common as windows and mac.
I might be wrong on this because sometimes my mind playing games with me
Of course in a perfect world every tools should run on every OS on every device if you ask me.

Indeed that is exactly what happened. I had planned on an iOS port as the differences are small and the graphics API is the same. However, Moog released their Model 15 just hours after I announced the P900 release (see Gearslutz), and that killed the iOS platform market for the P900.

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

So good to know i can trust my mind
But all i can say is that your synth blows Model 15 out of the water for me in terms of sounds and flexibility (beside MPE and that you can use Model 15 as FX) and even is more user friendly. But i guess it´s hard to compete with a name like Moog. I still think this would be a winner for iOS. I mean i would buy an iPad Pro 12.9" for this app alone. I often think i would like to use this on a great multi-touch screen. So i don´t think the market is saturated for such a great tool on iOS.
I even stumbled over P900 while searching for a Model 15 synth for my mac.....i found it and saw it is even better, lol.

[EvilDragon]

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

So I guess all we can hope is that you get sick of Apple and its shenanigans and move over to Windows side. Eh.


I'm still slightly hopeful eventually you'll port it. Maybe. One day. Eh.

[lalo]

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

So I guess all we can hope is that you get sick of Apple and its shenanigans and move over to Windows side. Eh.


I'm still slightly hopeful eventually you'll port it. Maybe. One day. Eh.

[lalo]

BTW as a Logic legit user I lost all my investment when Apple bought it. The same with Alchemy... Apple just got me years ago for my iPad2... it won't happen anymore... laptops with soldered ram?! arghh!!

[Cinebient]

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

So I guess all we can hope is that you get sick of Apple and its shenanigans and move over to Windows side. Eh.


I'm still slightly hopeful eventually you'll port it. Maybe. One day. Eh.

Nah, nah. If windows had offered not such a crap mixture of mobile and desktop things we (Apple users) would be the doomed ones.
So you can say about Apple what you want and i also think they are the right hand from the devil but at least they seems to care more about developing as Microsoft. Especially when it comes to audio.
Oh, and now Moog is on my black list too.......
At least i´m happy that they don´t released the Model 15 as plug-in (which i would still buy ).

[martinjuenke]

Anyway, I said I wouldn't read this thread anymore.

Don‘t get me wrong, but haven‘t you said that already a couple of times?

[EvilDragon]

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

So I guess all we can hope is that you get sick of Apple and its shenanigans and move over to Windows side. Eh.


I'm still slightly hopeful eventually you'll port it. Maybe. One day. Eh.

Nah, nah. If windows had offered not such a crap mixture of mobile and desktop things we (Apple users) would be the doomed ones.
So you can say about Apple what you want and i also think they are the right hand from the devil but at least they seems to care more about developing as Microsoft. Especially when it comes to audio.
Oh, and now Moog is on my black list too.......
At least i´m happy that they don´t released the Model 15 as plug-in (which i would still buy ).

W10 is the best Windows for audio, ever, there have been quite some improvements under the hood. I'm getting really good performance compared to W7.

Also, Surface is a great device. Why? Because you don't need a "special" version of the program to run on it, it runs all desktop applications normally. Apple is only recently seeing the benefit in that....


Well anyways.

[Cinebient]

Anyway, I said I wouldn't read this thread anymore.

Don‘t get me wrong, but haven‘t you said that already a couple of times?

Like me, i always say i will make more sport again and son´t eat so much junk food.
But that last mostly just 2-3 days.....at best.

[Cinebient]

The reality is that this is a niche product in an extremely competitive space, small players even with a very strong product (as I believe this is) have no chance...especially if you make a few wrongs bets. The payoff is meagre. It’s a hobby so my motivation is supporting existing customers and do what’s fun and what I myself look for in a synth.

So I guess all we can hope is that you get sick of Apple and its shenanigans and move over to Windows side. Eh.


I'm still slightly hopeful eventually you'll port it. Maybe. One day. Eh.

Nah, nah. If windows had offered not such a crap mixture of mobile and desktop things we (Apple users) would be the doomed ones.
So you can say about Apple what you want and i also think they are the right hand from the devil but at least they seems to care more about developing as Microsoft. Especially when it comes to audio.
Oh, and now Moog is on my black list too.......
At least i´m happy that they don´t released the Model 15 as plug-in (which i would still buy ).

W10 is the best Windows for audio, ever, there have been quite some improvements under the hood. I'm getting really good performance compared to W7.

Also, Surface is a great device. Why? Because you don't need a "special" version of the program to run on it, it runs all desktop applications normally. Apple is only recently seeing the benefit in that....


Well anyways.

Yes, but i still think that a seperate OS for multi-touch and desktop tools is better.
I like to use great multi-touch apps as much as i like to use desktop/notebook oriented tools.
And i don´t see any good things there for windows 10 (beside a few rare things).
All the great multi-touch things are on iOS, all the famous brands which make mobile AND desktop tools are mainly iOS.
Where is the Korg Gadget windows version (if you need it or not).
That you don´t get a special version is exact my problem with windows.
iPads are limited but are so much better if you want a multi-touch tool.

[martinjuenke]

Anyway, I said I wouldn't read this thread anymore.

Don‘t get me wrong, but haven‘t you said that already a couple of times?

Like me, i always say i will make more sport again and son´t eat so much junk food.
But that last mostly just 2-3 days.....at best.

Well said!

[EvilDragon]

Yes, but i still think that a seperate OS for multi-touch and desktop tools is better.

No, it's not. It's causing fragmentation for developers which could support both types of workflows from a single framework instead of two... Apple only recently understood these benefits, which are VERY real.


Now, adoption rate of these technologies is a different thing altogether. iOS had a lot of time to grow to where it is now, so of course there will be many more apps taking advantage of the platform. But that doesn't mean it couldn't have just been a single OS, at all. It's just that Apple likes to f*ck developers a lot, and every new macOS update there's something new that breaks and all devs need to fix THEIR code (instead of being mindful of devs and keeping backwards compatibility and NOT BREAKING THINGS). Meh.


ANYWAYS.