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aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:35 am

Where do you get the new sounds?

Mogular · Post by **Mogular** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:40 am

They are emailed to you - assuming you were part of the group buy

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 2:44 am

Ah GMails's spam filter was being over zealous

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:32 am

Whitten wrote:
Lotuzia wrote:
I'm a bit sad to hear this, my guess is that you're judging based on the presets themselves and not Adam's audio demos ?
Yes, on the pre-sets. I'm primarily interested in the Synthix as a tool to use in my music. Unrealistic emulations of flutes, brass and guitar have no value, especially when there are other ways you can achieve those sounds almost perfectly in the contemporary plug-in scene.

Well obviously this is also the result of a "you cant obviously please anyone" syndrom. What seduced me in Adam's work was the authentic "Synthex" and vintage touch. Some people during the group buy felt that there were not enough vintage patches, well the Synthex factory bank is full of these antiques flutes, luths, and acoustic guitar recreations.
Yes, point taken. Actually when I received the email that mentioned 'the 80's' my heart already sank.
I make music in the 2000's.
I guess at the bottom of it all are a few issues.
Firstly, in use I think the Synthix sounds very good indeed. Very rich, very hardware sounding. As a new plug-in, I don't think it needs to be set up as a nostalgia piece.
I also still find it unintuitive to program. I'm used to programming hardware synths, which is more hands on and often more visual. Therefore my usual mode with vst's is to find pre-sets that are in the ballpark and edit them.
I know it's a little harsh, but I'm not finding a majority of pre-sets in any bank that showcase the quality of the synth in a contemporary music way.
I'd love to see a contemporary pre-set bank, usable (aka tweakable) sounds for RnB, Indie rock/pop, electronica (Air, Chemical Brothers), House, Techno, filmscore etc....
Fewer emulations of acoustic instruments (vibes, brass, pianos) which seem to crop up in most pre-set banks.
If I had the expertise and available time I'd start one myself.

Some other Sound Banks will be available rather soon. Hopefully you'll find some inspiring instruments in them.

Like I said Synthix has a feet in both worlds : Vintage and Ultra Modern.

If you have some audio examples of instruments wich you would like to be part of future libraires, please just post them and I'll see what we can do ( provided they are compatible with what IS the Synthix )

I think the difference shows when you use the Synthix for standard patches as strings, brass, keys, organs aso : It has a meaty and rich sound, where you might eventually find some others units sound ... well thinner ......

Even with instruments wich have a consistant sound, it has a difference in character : Modelled filters, Oscillators, enveloppes, all this give an overall sound wich makes that the Synthix will stand fiercly in any mix.

A lot of musicians or producers are already using the Synthix in productions, remixes, film business, as a lot of people who can compare with the Synthex are more than happy to get the best possible emulation of it.

Just imho

LtZ

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:33 am

Mogular wrote:I had a run through the gift presets and I have to say the JMJ rendezvous presets are astounding.
I haven't done a one-to-one comparison with the recording but they certainly conjure the spirit of the original sounds.

Thanks a lot Mogular.

Glad you liked them !

kx.001 · Post by **kx.001** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:46 am

Mogular wrote:They are emailed to you - assuming you were part of the group buy

This is the problem with getting it through the charity auction.

I've been loving it though, although I occasionally get stuck notes (I've had to restart FL STudio once) so will have to hunt down a solution

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 10:51 am

M000761 wrote:I absolutely love the new preset bank... and much more than the original presets that shipped with the product mainly because I can play all of them without blowing my cpu. Comparing to my Arturia ProphetV2 and Jupiter8V2 the sound is noticeably more snappy, fat and warm. Excellent presets and thank you very much for this gift.

I bought this synth because it was a Synthex emulation not because it was an Access Virus competitor to those wanting more dance oriented/modern sounds in defence of XILS.

My main issue with this synth is the CPU hit... it's just so insanely hungry on CPU power, also the user interface is a bit hard to get around with tabs and what not on layers, envelopes, lfos, sequencers, keyboard splits etc... it's a bit of a nightmare trying to reverse engineer patches.

I would have much preferred a basic emulation with great sound quality... but that's just me. I guess others are wanting much more hence the features.

Further note: XILS should offer a bundle or discounts to existing owners of some of their products... I want the XILS3, PolyKB.

Thanks.

Yes some people are more inclined to favour vintage patches, while some other are looking for more modern stuff or never seen stuff. Well the Synthix is able to offer both

Two words For the GUI : The Synthix can be sued both in the easy One Panel mode, and can also be incredibly complex if you want to explore some different sonic worlds. So that complexity and depth in proframming ( like 4 LFOs, enveloppes, etc ) PER LAYER

( and there are 8/ layers

) cant be displayed simultaneously on the GUI, wich would otherwise need three screens to be displayed. So we tried to make what we call hapyy compromises.

Also a few words on : Reverse engineering of patches is admitedly not our primary goal : As a MONO Synthix instrument can use up to as 40 oscillators, 32 enveloppes, and as many Lfos simultaneously , its certainly not easy to keep track of everything, and I confess that I can spend myself two minutes to remind what I've done on certain patches when revisiting them. Let's see it this way : Reverse engeeniting of patches is the affair of power and hardcore users. Those who are into this kind of things, like you and .... me ( never walk alone

) MUST be aware that the Synthix can be in some occasions a very complex instrument, and that accurately modifying and understanding some patches might require a bit of time. Once again its the tribute to possible complexity.

However you can find also a bunch of some very simple instruments that can be very easily edited and adapted to context.

The main thing imho with the Synthix is that even the "simplest" instruments do SOUND musical and instantly bring the analog flavor, ( wich is maybe what you described as snappy fat and warm ) so you dont have to invent or use some advanced tricks to try to make them sound convincing enough in a mix like in some other instruments.

LtZ

kelvyn · Post by **kelvyn** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:28 am

Vintage or new... 80's or noughties... Presets or tweakies. Whatever! Thanks for the free presets

I saw Ultravox earlier this year and apart from the vocals and guitar thought they were one of the most contemporary bands I had seen live for a long while with great synth sounds that were both 80's AND timelessly modern/hip/cool etc.
I think the most modern sounds I've heard recently are the Cristal Baschet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristal_baschet and the Theremin... Dubstep is kinda interesting but there's only so much wobble bass a person can take

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Wed Oct 05, 2011 11:32 am

Love the gift pack sounds but then again they're right up my alley

I love 80s sounds, disco, boogie, funky. So they're perfect for me

I needed some sounds like this for the amazing Synthix! Some surprises there too, like the hammond preset, sound stunning

Whitten · Post by **Whitten** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 1:52 am

Lotuzia wrote: Like I said Synthix has a feet in both worlds : Vintage and Ultra Modern.

Yes, I use hardware vintage synths (Synthacon, Buchla) in my contemporary music.

A lot of musicians or producers are already using the Synthix in productions, remixes, film business, as a lot of people who can compare with the Synthex are more than happy to get the best possible emulation of it.

Just imho

LtZ

For flute and acoustic piano sounds?
I'm a professional too, and have already used Synthix. No problem there.
I have no issue with Synthix, the sound or it's architecture, just the direction the pre-set soundbanks have taken (admittedly on a purely selfish level).
But I also think a great sounding VI, which Synthix IS, should go beyond the realm of recreating the sounds from the hardware it's emulating.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear there are more sound banks on the way.
Just to finally echo 'M000761', Synthix is a major hit on my computer. To the extent that I launch a single instance of it and when I've found the sound and part i want I record it to audio and disable the plug-in.

I'm happy to accept I should use a more powerful computer than my Intel imac Duo, but most other virtual instruments i employ don't crash the cpu as readily as Synthix.
Take this as a mere customer observation, not a criticism.

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:43 am

Whitten wrote:
Lotuzia wrote: Like I said Synthix has a feet in both worlds : Vintage and Ultra Modern.

Yes, I use hardware vintage synths (Synthacon, Buchla) in my contemporary music.

A lot of musicians or producers are already using the Synthix in productions, remixes, film business, as a lot of people who can compare with the Synthex are more than happy to get the best possible emulation of it.

Just imho

LtZ
For flute and acoustic piano sounds?
I'm a professional too, and have already used Synthix. No problem there.
I have no issue with Synthix, the sound or it's architecture, just the direction the pre-set soundbanks have taken (admittedly on a purely selfish level).
But I also think a great sounding VI, which Synthix IS, should go beyond the realm of recreating the sounds from the hardware it's emulating.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear there are more sound banks on the way.
Just to finally echo 'M000761', Synthix is a major hit on my computer. To the extent that I launch a single instance of it and when I've found the sound and part i want I record it to audio and disable the plug-in.

I'm happy to accept I should use a more powerful computer than my Intel imac Duo, but most other virtual instruments i employ don't crash the cpu as readily as Synthix.
Take this as a mere customer observation, not a criticism.

Eheheh Buchla

will remain ultra modern for quite some time imho ( Lucky you to have one )

Yes Synthix is a bit demanding. The last update will bring some optimisation, around 8%. But I'm afraid its the price for quality, precise and smooth selfoscillating filters, snappy enveloppes etc etc

If you have some audio examples of instruments you'"d like to be included Whitten, once agan feel free to post them in this thread.

LtZ

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:45 am

kelvyn wrote:Vintage or new... 80's or noughties... Presets or tweakies. Whatever! Thanks for the free presets

I saw Ultravox earlier this year and apart from the vocals and guitar thought they were one of the most contemporary bands I had seen live for a long while with great synth sounds that were both 80's AND timelessly modern/hip/cool etc.
I think the most modern sounds I've heard recently are the Cristal Baschet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cristal_baschet and the Theremin... Dubstep is kinda interesting but there's only so much wobble bass a person can take

Thanks Kelvyn, we're glad you appreciate the gift

As for Dubstep, I'm confident the Synthix can do it too. As for all purely electronic styles.

LtZ

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Fri Oct 07, 2011 10:53 am

penguinfromdeep wrote:Love the gift pack sounds but then again they're right up my alley I love 80s sounds, disco, boogie, funky. So they're perfect for me I needed some sounds like this for the amazing Synthix! Some surprises there too, like the hammond preset, sound stunning

Hi Penguin,

Yes that's a lot of "classic" presets, and I also fully enjoyed the Hammondish organ, wich sounds just awsome. I like particular organ sounds. Nowadays it seems that eveyone is after the pure Hammond Fetish Sound, but back in the 70's thare was a bunch of different organs. I remember my stepfather had a huge Lowrey organ, and omg it was such fun to play. Continental, Farfisa, Viscount, etc I ilke them all, and I also like synth organ presets when they live and breathe, like the one Adam created on the SYnthix.

Btw we had returns that some people could not see the bank after importing it : It should be found un der the Gift bank ( simpple and neat ) and then you have 50 patches from Adam ( mostly ) or your truly.

If you cant import the bank just updte the Synthixc to its last version. If there are still problems please just contact us. TY.

Also, the marketing department suggested me to inform people that the regular introductory price period ( -33% on Synthix ) is about to end ....... so that if some of you should desire to grab this innocent little treasure for a good price, it might be time to act

LtZ

Sequent · Post by **Sequent** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:41 pm

So, I have to decide whether to finally pick this up or wait until a future time. I was really excited about the gb earlier this year, but at the time reality was such that I was unable to participate. After that it was too painful to continue reading this thread and seeing how cool Synthix was, so I stopped following it for a while.

I have Xils3 and PolyKB and they are fantastic, but it looks like Synthix would really take things to the next level. I can't wait to try out the demo a bit later.

I have to ask... was there some sort of additional discount for previous customers on top of the discount that's ending? It looks like there might be. I wouldn't want to miss it - even though the regular discount is nice already! From being logged in at the Xils-Labs site and not seeing anything in the shop or in the cart, I'm guessing no.

Sorry if my question has been already answered somewhere. I looked through the thread (here as well as in the Xils-Labs forum) and didn't notice anything specific. It's an awfully long thread! If nothing else, consider this as a little bump for a good deal! We have one week left before the price increases!

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 4:33 pm

I just installed the 64 bit version (beta) but it doesn't seem to see the same presets as the 32 bit version - is there no way to make them share presets? It would be annoying to have to keep exporting and importing between the two versions (especially as the preset system doesn't use real patchnames in Explorer)

SYN'X 2.5 Released - Xils-Lab - (Multitimbral Synthex - intro discount-)