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[MorpherX]

@MorpherX:

The host only stores the current preset and not the complete bank when you save and re-load a project. This is intended. The reason for this is performance, host-compatibility and hard-disc usage.

Just imagine the patches of all banks would be saved with the song. Then 2 MB of discspace would be wasted for a single instance of Warlock. With 10 instaces your song then would be at least 20 MB large.

When the current bank (=128 patches) would be stored nearly 1 MB would be wasted for 10 instances of Warlock. While this may still be acceptable there are some hosts that automtically do backups. Your hard-disc would still be filled sillently in the background.

The current solution only stores the current patch. Only 7 KB is needed for a song with 10 instances. Furthermore your song loads instantly.

OK, I can live with this solution because one stored preset in the custom bank is enough for playing back the sound I want to play with one instance of Warlock. But 1 MB additional memory for a bank is nothing compared to the memory one instance of Warlock uses.
The reason for not saving a bank with the host is that you have here your own bank file extension (t2b) instead of .fxb. Reaper stores a bank in a VSTi with the project if it's fxb-bank compatible. Therefore the UserBank A-C are not saved with the project but loaded.
But if you mention memory usage, one instance of Warlock uses 90 MB here. Is this the last word or could there be optimations for less memory usage. On the other side if a user has 32 GB memory installed, then this is no problemo. But some users might have a small notebook with only 4 or 8 GB of memory.

[Lint_Huffer7]

Sorry I meant .xml files which are just files like .fxp and .fxb files so I fail to see any advantage of that format over any other and since you're the only one who wants it that should tell you something.

The advantage of an .xml file, which I have mentioned three times now, are that xml files are purely text-based. Go ahead and open a .fxp file in Notepad and paste the text here, you'll get 5kb of pure garbage that might not even work due to various text encodings. You'll have to actually upload that .fxp file - as a file, not its contents - somewhere in order to share it with someone, which can be a bit cumbersome, as opposed to just copy-pasting the contents of a text file (can be proper xml or some hybrid like Valhalla's or even purely random-looking letters and numbers like the Buzz ASCII version) into Discord or whatever.

Anyway this discussion is off topic for this thread so I'll not comment any further. Maybe make a thread in the Everything Else sub-forum and discuss it there. Perhaps you'll be able to put forth a convincing argument there and convert us all to be fans of using .xml files. So far you've failed to convince me....

I wasn't aware this was a "please convince me" situation.

I made a suggestion to Markus. You, for some reason, quoted it and seemed to not quite understand what I was saying, so I clarified, partially in case my post was confusing to others as well. By now, though, you're saying "xml is a file and fxp is a file so they're the same", which is so absolutely and utterly missing the point of what I'm saying (not to mention just plain wrong - .txt is a file, .docx is a file, but they're not the same, and each has different use cases) that I'm pretty much lost for words, aside from the words I've typed here, haha.

I'm not terribly interested in convincing you or anyone else, this clearly isn't a "voting situation". I'd like the feature, but that's between me and Markus, and if he doesn't think that it'd be a valuable use of his time, that's more than fair. But I'll admit to being quite interested in making sure I'm understood, as I imagine many people are!

Anyway, if you want to start an Everything Else thread called "Please help me understand the practical differences between text files and .fxp files" I'll be happy to help you out!

[Teksonik]

The advantage of an .xml file, which I have mentioned three times now, are that xml files are purely text-based. Go ahead and open a .fxp file in Notepad and paste the text here, you'll get 5kb of pure garbage that might not even work due to various text encodings. You'll have to actually upload that .fxp file - as a file, not its contents - somewhere in order to share it with someone, which can be a bit cumbersome, as opposed to just copy-pasting the contents of a text file

And? Again you're really not making your case very well. Whether you have to upload a file or its contents what's the advantage? Copy and pasting the contents of a text file that has to be shared just like an .fxp or .fxb file? Load a simple .fxp file or copy/paste the contents of an .xml file. Again what's the practical advantage of using an .xml for this task ?

I wasn't aware this was a "please convince me" situation. I made a suggestion to Markus.

It's not. You don't have to convince me of anything. I was just curious as to what the advantage of adding .xml file support to a synth like Warlock would be. But you're really not doing a good job of convincing anyone as far as I can see. It seems like you have created a "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist.

But whatever good luck with your request.

[Markus Krause]

OK, I can live with this solution because one stored preset in the custom bank is enough for playing back the sound I want to play with one instance of Warlock. But 1 MB additional memory for a bank is nothing compared to the memory one instance of Warlock uses.
The reason for not saving a bank with the host is that you have here your own bank file extension (t2b) instead of .fxb. Reaper stores a bank in a VSTi with the project if it's fxb-bank compatible. Therefore the UserBank A-C are not saved with the project but loaded.
But if you mention memory usage, one instance of Warlock uses 90 MB here. Is this the last word or could there be optimations for less memory usage. On the other side if a user has 32 GB memory installed, then this is no problemo. But some users might have a small notebook with only 4 or 8 GB of memory.

You're mixing up things. I never did not talk about RAM. I did talk about hard-disc space required for saving songs and the time required for loading projects. There is absolutely no need to reduce the RAM usage at all. RAM is an absolute non-issue, since you can allocate nearly an infinite size since 64bit - even with computers with low memory. The OS manages swap pages if it should become short.

[HcDoom]

So many experts on this forum who know better than established devs. Experts, where can we see your successful products?

[MorpherX]

OK, I can live with this solution because one stored preset in the custom bank is enough for playing back the sound I want to play with one instance of Warlock. But 1 MB additional memory for a bank is nothing compared to the memory one instance of Warlock uses.
The reason for not saving a bank with the host is that you have here your own bank file extension (t2b) instead of .fxb. Reaper stores a bank in a VSTi with the project if it's fxb-bank compatible. Therefore the UserBank A-C are not saved with the project but loaded.
But if you mention memory usage, one instance of Warlock uses 90 MB here. Is this the last word or could there be optimations for less memory usage. On the other side if a user has 32 GB memory installed, then this is no problemo. But some users might have a small notebook with only 4 or 8 GB of memory.

You're mixing up things. I never did not talk about RAM. I did talk about hard-disc space required for saving songs and the time required for loading projects. There is absolutely no need to reduce the RAM usage at all. RAM is an absolute non-issue, since you can allocate nearly an infinite size since 64bit - even with computers with low memory. The OS manages swap pages if it should become short.

In the the first column of my post I refered to disk space, in the last to memory usage, so I have nothing mixed.
But it doesn't matter if diskspace usage or memory usage, 1 or 2 additional MB for 1 instance of Warlock is nothing. But for this a user could have it's own labeled custom bank which would be stored and recalled with a project.
So why not let the user decide if he want to save a custom bank or not, it's not your decision and most user are adults who knows what they do.
Even the old Firebird stored and stores a complete bank with the project and I have never had any problems with this.

[mabian]

The advantage of an .xml file, which I have mentioned three times now, are that xml files are purely text-based. Go ahead and open a .fxp file in Notepad and paste the text here, you'll get 5kb of pure garbage that might not even work due to various text encodings. You'll have to actually upload that .fxp file - as a file, not its contents - somewhere in order to share it with someone, which can be a bit cumbersome, as opposed to just copy-pasting the contents of a text file

And? Again you're really not making your case very well. Whether you have to upload a file or its contents what's the advantage? Copy and pasting the contents of a text file that has to be shared just like an .fxp or .fxb file? Load a simple .fxp file or copy/paste the contents of an .xml file. Again what's the practical advantage of using an .xml for this task ?

I wasn't aware this was a "please convince me" situation. I made a suggestion to Markus.

It's not. You don't have to convince me of anything. I was just curious as to what the advantage of adding .xml file support to a synth like Warlock would be. But you're really not doing a good job of convincing anyone as far as I can see. It seems like you have created a "solution" to a problem that doesn't exist.

But whatever good luck with your request.

FWIW, I'm with Lint_Huffer7 on this. As far as the plugin allows pasting the xml content directly in its GUI without having to save it first as a file and then loading it to a plugin

- Mario

[Cinebient]

I would like to hear more demos of some unique sounds from it rather the next KVR daily soap drama.
Sorry, I try to understand if this synth is really something unique and new.
So it is a spectral wavetable thing or what?

[Influx808]

I think it is really cool and very good value.

[Cinebient]

I think it is really cool and very good value.

Why if I may ask?

[Influx808]

No hassle its great for my techno tracks . Cheap and its better than some synths that are more expensive. I won't name the big synths that I own but warlok can compete in the highest level.

[VELLTONE MUSIC]

I would like to hear more demos of some unique sounds from it rather the next KVR daily soap drama.
Sorry, I try to understand if this synth is really something unique and new.
So it is a spectral wavetable thing or what?

I am trying demo of every new synth when is released and asking myself same questions
After 7 years of sound design i feel that there is constant need of more temper and harmonics from new synths,almost every year developers create something little bit better if look last decade.
On the question,what i adore about Warlock is super massive sound and unique filter's signature.
Warlock is workhorse,probably won't replace immediately your old synths,but to me everytime a user need more sound stage,more filters,more temper,more supersaw you gonna use it.
Warlock is just so simple and powerful,try one saw and 10x supersaw detuning and compare it with any other synth,and that's just part of picture,i'm just touching the surface now for more popular and useful sound for users.
Countless hours of seeking 'right' detuning is just one turn of a knob with Warlock.
New revision of my sets i do now is brutal clubish,percussive,loaded with temper sound - will upload demo soon.
Cheers

[vurt]

temper sound?

[Teksonik]

FWIW, I'm with Lint_Huffer7 on this. As far as the plugin allows pasting the xml content directly in its GUI without having to save it first as a file and then loading it to a plugin
- Mario

But again what practical advantage does this bring you ? I'm genuinely curious.

Are you saying you want to copy the exact same patch from one instance of Warlock to another ?

So you right click on the gui of one instance and copy then right click paste onto the gui of another ?

Is that what you're saying ? I don't see much use in having the same sound in two different instances or needing to do that often enough to make it practically useful. If I like that sound enough to use it twice then I'd just save it as an .fxp patch.

But even with .xml files you'll still have to save them if you want to keep them or share them. How can I copy the contents of an .xml file if I don't have that file on my system or don't have access to it from some net location?

So I guess I'm just not getting it but again good luck with the request. That's two of you now so maybe if you can get more people to support .xml files or maybe can explain the advantages in a better way we'll all get on board.

I'm not against anyone's feature requests I'm just trying to understand this one.

[Teksonik]

I would like to hear more demos of some unique sounds from it rather the next KVR daily soap drama.
Sorry, I try to understand if this synth is really something unique and new.
So it is a spectral wavetable thing or what?

Just wait for the demo version or take a chance and purchase Warlock like I and others have.