KVR Audio

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:09 pm

please stop feeding him, he is a ghost in these threads now.

baconpaul · Post by **baconpaul** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:10 pm

Held wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:29 am
shaboogen wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:13 am I'm already a Bitwig user who uses modulators quite regularly, so I guess my question is more aimed at the idea of something like a slow envelope on a low-pass filter.

Would a CLAP filter be able to provide (what I assume are) multiple instances of itself to handle each audio event individually or would they run like filters do now and deal with audio as one?

I wouldn't assume that they'd magically get per "voice" modulation given the context, but I thought I'd ask.
You could have multiple instances of the filter, but they'd all receive the same audio. There's no way for them to know which audio belongs to which voice.

Bitwig's built-in filters don't support polyphonic modulation either (except for in the FX Grid).

Yeah today you can’t do this. While the voice is a logical concept in the synths it’s not an audio output one. A synth still has stereo output (say). For this to work toh would need an output bus per voice which is kinda what rack polyphony does internally. While we’ve talked about polyphonic cv and polyphonic audio, the 1.0 spec has no consideration or abilities for either. (It does of course have multi channel audio but that’s different; polyphonic audio would have 0..n outputs when 0..n voices were playing)

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:12 pm

shaboogen wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:35 am
Held wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:29 amYou could have multiple instances of the filter, but they'd all receive the same audio. There's no way for them to know which audio belongs to which voice.

Bitwig's built-in filters don't support polyphonic modulation either (except for in the FX Grid).
You're right. The only FX "plugins" I've ever seen support something like this are encased in an environment (Phase Plant and The Grid are the only things that come to mind), but I thought I'd ask the question anyway.

(you can also technically do this in Bitwig by using round robin selectors, but I digress).

Thanks to both yourself and Urs for answering.

id imagine bidule (if it gets clap support) and any claps that open the ports, will work.
fully modular, so you can see the front and back end ins/outs of any vst that has them currently.

BenfordLaw · Post by **BenfordLaw** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:22 pm

rasmusklump wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 4:57 pm Can you please give it a rest now?
We got it...

Thank you for explaining so clearly why I was wrong. Go and find another thread if you can't cope with people saying things you don't want to be heard.

BenfordLaw · Post by **BenfordLaw** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:23 pm

fisherKing wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:04 pm
really, you've made your point. and again, people are able to find plugins like vital or diva. they'll find what they need, life will go on.

So I refuted what you said, yet you still think CLAP is a good name... Nobody has said anything about people not being able to find vital or diva, because they aren't the names of sounds used in music.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:25 pm

some people

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:28 pm

KINDLY STOP FEEDING THE TROLL, I SUSPENDED HIM...GET BACK ON TOPIC PLEASE

Atlatnesiti · Post by **Atlatnesiti** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:52 pm

Hink wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:09 pm please stop feeding him, he is a ghost in these threads now.

I think we have enough of clap
Move along

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:53 pm

You don't get to decide that.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:55 pm

Atlatnesiti wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:52 pm
Hink wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:09 pm please stop feeding him, he is a ghost in these threads now.
I think we have enough of clap
Move along

excuse me?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:49 pm

May I suggest moving name discussions to their own thread? - It worked wonders for the discussion of installer issues...

Held · Post by **Held** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:39 pm

baconpaul wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:10 pm Yeah today you can’t do this. While the voice is a logical concept in the synths it’s not an audio output one. A synth still has stereo output (say). For this to work toh would need an output bus per voice which is kinda what rack polyphony does internally. While we’ve talked about polyphonic cv and polyphonic audio, the 1.0 spec has no consideration or abilities for either. (It does of course have multi channel audio but that’s different; polyphonic audio would have 0..n outputs when 0..n voices were playing)

The synths of Bitwig have an FX slot where you can add your own FX chain to the synths which is mainly useful for saving presets, I think.

It would be great if you could extend that concept to also add per-voice FX to a synth. Maybe CLAP could be extended to allow instruments to provide an FX slot where you can add other plugins to a per-voice FX chain.

baconpaul · Post by **baconpaul** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:22 pm

Held wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 7:39 pm
baconpaul wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 5:10 pm Yeah today you can’t do this. While the voice is a logical concept in the synths it’s not an audio output one. A synth still has stereo output (say). For this to work toh would need an output bus per voice which is kinda what rack polyphony does internally. While we’ve talked about polyphonic cv and polyphonic audio, the 1.0 spec has no consideration or abilities for either. (It does of course have multi channel audio but that’s different; polyphonic audio would have 0..n outputs when 0..n voices were playing)
The synths of Bitwig have an FX slot where you can add your own FX chain to the synths which is mainly useful for saving presets, I think.

It would be great if you could extend that concept to also add per-voice FX to a synth. Maybe CLAP could be extended to allow instruments to provide an FX slot where you can add other plugins to a per-voice FX chain.

yeah a surprisingly large number of people (including me) jump immediately to concepts like 'host-in-host' or 'channel strip' or 'poly-expand plugins' once they get their head around some of the port abstractions. We should remember that it's still 8 days after launch and there's a lot of work to do to get to parity+ with other formats as far as breadth of support. But I certainly see a lot of creativity in the dev community getting unlocked around some of these ideas.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:24 pm

Urs wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:49 pm May I suggest moving name discussions to their own thread? - It worked wonders for the discussion of installer issues...

absolutely, anyone wants to start one in everything else it's fine. Unfortunately to move all those posts with 48 or something like that pages is not so easy.

Funkybot's Evil Twin · Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:34 pm

Hink wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 8:24 pm
Urs wrote: Thu Jun 23, 2022 6:49 pm May I suggest moving name discussions to their own thread? - It worked wonders for the discussion of installer issues...
absolutely, anyone wants to start one in everything else it's fine. Unfortunately to move all those posts with 48 or something like that pages is not so easy.

Done!

Go here to complain about the name and/or how useless CLAP is, how it's doomed to fail, we don't need another standard, etc...

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CLAP... thoughts?