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electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:21 am

Auditioning the included presets I also noticed the delay. If you make it instant there won't be any pop if a note isn't playing, right?

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 7:47 am

electro wrote:Auditioning the included presets I also noticed the delay. If you make it instant there won't be any pop if a note isn't playing, right?

Right, but when a DAW is playing a MIDI sequence, no one forbid you to change the presets. Even sending a All note OFF, the release could be long.

I will try to reduce it a lot, I agree it could be annoying

Best
Xavier

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:49 am

Selfik wrote:Playing with Synthix v1.01 in Studio One...
Interface seems a bit sluggish and also preset changing (I mean it's not instant like in other synths, there is a small delay) but I get same with Xils3 and Poly...so is this normal? Changing gui update speed in options to fast doesn't help.Have no problem with any other plugin...can someone please test in Studio One?
Choosing Seq and clicking on it reports an error...just had a crash in Reaper

And another...ctrl click on the knob should return it to default value...knob returns alright but popup says othervise...bug?
Just checked...all those things happen in Reaper
Sound is really great but I'm not happy with my purchase...
9/10 in CM...maybe soundvise I agree...IMO this thing feels somewhat unoptimized, sluggish...hard to work with...U-he plugins should than get 20/10...
Ok, don't want to sound negative, it's a nice synth, hope this problems will be fixed...

Please understand that The Synthix is very fresh ( 1 month since 1.0 ). Its still in version 1.01 when Zebra has more than 7 years behind it. And there were some bugs recently discovered in ACE wich were far more annoying than a parameter value that you can reset to default ( Wich is the action you want to perform ) and the pop up not displaying the default value right. This is really a minor bug.

The other bug in Studio One is host related and more annoying it will be looked after.

Please understand that the Synthix is a very complex piece of software, and thus it is normal that some random bugs will be discovered here and there during the fist 6 months.

The Synthix, and all Xils-lab synths calculate all voices independantly in real time, this is why instant preset changing is impossible, we could reduce the time a bit, at the expense of some noisy artifacts, like there are in numerous soft synths I use when I change presets on the fly. The time for presets change is not so long though, but for those who like intense browsing it can be ssen as too long. Eventually another host related issue can make the time longer in some host ? This is what we'll have to check with Studio One.

After the SYnthix release we decided to put the focus on 64 bits, because we think its the features wich is the most requested. But all bugs will be fixed, as there are facvts attesting that Xils-Lab is VERY reactive about bug fixing.

Then as you say the sound is good, and more than "only good" it is unique and unrivaled imho in the soft synth graal.

So that at the end of the day, this is the shiny sound of Synthix that people will hear in your tracks, and not preset browsing delays.

Hundreds of Synthix users seem to be prefectly happy with it, thus we do listen to all bugs, and also examine in depth all request or rants to determine if they are justified, or less justified. And as you see we're also very reactive to answer people and trying to give them what we think are balanced and informative data. Some will notice that such a responsivness is sometimes hard to be found in the VSTI world .....

I certainly dont want to sound overpositive, but in a synth some things really matter, and some other thing matter a bit less, or a bit bit less.

Thanks for reporting the bugs and helping us to make the SYnthix even better than it is.

LtZ

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 9:51 am

Gonga wrote:Congratulations Lotuzia, you deserve it!

I don't subscribe but I wish I could read it.

Thanks Gonga,

We're working hard to try to deserve it

LtZ

electro · Post by **electro** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:15 am

Lotuzia wrote:After the SYnthix release we decided to put the focus on 64 bits, because we think its the features wich is the most requested. But all bugs will be fixed, as there are facvts attesting that Xils-Lab is VERY reactive about bug fixing.

Then as you say the sound is good, and more than "only good" it is unique and unrivaled imho in the soft synth graal.
LtZ

Thanks for x64 native, it was the right priority. The other 3 or 4 good synth emulations are all stuck at x86 Native and the developers seem to be in no hurry to port them over to x64.

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 11:17 am

Thanks Xavier, Lotuzia for answering.
I just wanted to help so you can improve your products.
Synthix is a monster...must be hard coding something that complex.
Andromeda would be nice for your next project...looks like you guys are capapble...any chanse?

I'm on windows 7 32bit.
Please do speed up that preset browsing if possible.

metrosonic · Post by **metrosonic** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:27 pm

Just had a chance to go through the gift bank for the group buy and am very impressed by the sound design. Maybe it's because I'm such a sucker for those eighties type timbres, but those 50 patches are some of the most expressive and playable I've yet found in a VI.

Massive thanks to both Xavier & Lotuzia for staying true to their word and releasing a bonus that rewards those that supported the group buy.

JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:41 am

metrosonic wrote:Just had a chance to go through the gift bank for the group buy and am very impressed by the sound design. Maybe it's because I'm such a sucker for those eighties type timbres, but those 50 patches are some of the most expressive and playable I've yet found in a VI.

Massive thanks to both Xavier & Lotuzia for staying true to their word and releasing a bonus that rewards those that supported the group buy.

JM
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http://soundcloud.com/leftside-wobble

Thanks a lot Metrosonic

Glad you enjoyed the gift bank mostly made by

Adam Borsetti ( with a humble contribution of your truly )

Else ------______

For the Xils users loyalty discounts we're still studying how to implement them. There will be some at some point, and whatever method we use, you past purchases will count, as well as your current and future ones. But this seems technically quite difficult to implement, so we are looking at several possible ways to do it. More on this asap

LtZ

DrWashington · Post by **DrWashington** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:11 am

xavier wrote:Thanks for this report SelFik.
I will check these issues (sluggish GUI and crash with Studio one)
windows XP, 7 ? Osx ? 32 bits or 64 ?
According to the screen shot, seems to be windows.

While working on the 64 bits version, I'm still working on the optimization, keeping the audio quality, obviously.

About Preset changing : there is a 2 second delay between them to avoid clacs and plop, which could be bring during the various connections changes. This could be reduced, but not removed.

Best regards
Xavier

Hey Xavier,

I just picked myself up a copy on the strength of some of the demo songs on your site... still waiting for my iLok stuff to get sorted (I think their site is down... tried everything!), so I'm playing with the demo in the meantime. The GUI does indeed seem quite sluggish and jerky, which is really disappointing, because the synth itself sounds awesome. I really do hope you get this sorted soon. You do good work, but it seems like maybe you need some more people to help you sort this stuff in a timely manner. For a 1.0 release, this is really not very good.

I'm certainly willing to be patient, because, like I said, it sounds great. But, please do make sure you get this fixed. There's a lot of competition out there right now for soft synths, and I really hope to see you succeed!

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:37 am

And after 2 months this still isn't fixed...

Selfik wrote: Choosing Seq and clicking on it reports an error...just had a crash in Reaper

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 8:56 am

Selfik wrote:And after 2 months this still isn't fixed...
Selfik wrote: Choosing Seq and clicking on it reports an error...just had a crash in Reaper

Strange. I'm on Windows 7 32-bit and my hosts are Ableton Live 8 and Reaper 4 32-bit. No such problem in both hosts here. In fact i got no crash since the Beta test is over. I have the full version so i don't know if the demo could be a problem.
Maybe you could try the unrestricted demo (if you got an elicenser or iLok). The installer of the unrestricted demo is identical to the full version.

Ingo

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:24 am

I have the full version but it crashes in any host...
I can live with that bug but gui sluggishnesss...if you use only presets it's ok but nightmare for editing...can't recommed to anyone until this is
fixed-improved...
sluggish gui = bad coding

xavier · Post by **xavier** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:56 am

Selfik wrote:I have the full version but it crashes in any host...
I can live with that bug but gui sluggishnesss...if you use only presets it's ok but nightmare for editing...can't recommed to anyone until this is
fixed-improved...
sluggish gui = bad coding

This is very weird.
I agree we didn't released yet the fix for the issue related to the sequencer, but a crash on every host while editing any other parameters would have full up our support inbox.

About sluggish gui : after loading a new preset, the GUI takes some time to be updated, otherwise I didn't noticed something else. We have fixed some part in the incoming new version, but maybe some more should be done (and will be done if needed).

We will release soon a new version which will fix as much as possible any remaining issues and add x64 compatibility (it's already available on our website as a beta version, for the eLicenser format, ilok is coming soon).

But feel free to contact us on our webpage contact form, we will be glad to discuss about this crash (for a better understanding about your issues, we need some more informations : which protection format, which OS, which system, which DAW)

Best regards
Xavier

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:12 am

Selfik wrote:I have the full version but it crashes in any host...
I can live with that bug but gui sluggishnesss...if you use only presets it's ok but nightmare for editing...can't recommed to anyone until this is
fixed-improved...
sluggish gui = bad coding

As your problem could not be reproduce by everyone including me such kind of general "warning" is not really fair IMO. Like i mentioned i tried it in Windows 32-bit and both Reaper 4 and Ableton Live 8.

I already participated in several Beta tests (non-public and public) and fixing issues is only easy if such problem could be easily reproduced.

About sluggish GUI: Didn't really recognize until it was mentioned here. Yes, knob movement could be a bit "steppy" sometimes but mostly when moving fast. Anyway setting precise values is still no problem. It's not like you have to use 10 tries to set a certain value. One reason why i did not recognize it so much is that i usually look at the parameter display which appears when moving a knob. For really precise settings i usually use the right mouse button (or SHIFT+left mouse button which got the same function).

Ingo

Selfik · Post by **Selfik** » Sat Dec 24, 2011 10:20 am

If I'm the only one with that issue than I appologize...but gui is still hard to work with.Please improve that...everything else works great.

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