New Roland "DANCE" hardware- AIRA TR-8, TB-3, VT-3, SYSTEM-1

[ghettosynth]

Besides I wouldn't be judging the sound from a recording made with a moving camera mic, which makes everything sound tinny.

The same mic was used to record ALL of the sounds, so it's certainly fair to judge it in comparison to all other sounds playing.

[dcfac73]

Example of what is possible if you know how to use it...

You don't think that's possible with just live? Really? Do you think that's somehow elevated?

Of course it is. But it's better fun twisting knobs and using faders and not looking at the screen too much. And yes u could use a midi controller, but the problem with that is u'd need to map it, and there would still be screen looking to see which knob controlled what.

Look if you love Ableton so much ,go ahead and use it. The thing you can't seem to get in ur head is that different approaches suit different people. Seriously, I can't see why that is so hard for you to grasp.

[Kriminal]

Live at Studio76 Madrid: good, bad, new old? It's just the first few minutes of his set.

https://soundcloud.com/alexvazquezmusic ... drid-05-04

Gear: Roland Aira TR-8, Roland Aira VT-3, Roland TR-707, Doepfer MS-404, Novation Bass Station II, Moog Minitaur, Cyclone TT-303, Korg Volca Bass, Korg Volca Beats, Korg Volca Keys, MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay

Loaded question....its subjective. Unlikely you will know whats playing what anyway.

Oh cmon, you can clearly hear the TR-8, well, I can. Seriously, you can't tell the TR-8 from volca beats in a live mix where it's pretty much stated that there's no other drum machine, well other than the 707? Ok, so yeah, maybe the 707 is the TR8,or something like that. Wait, you mean it doesn't matter whether it's real or roms?

i havent watch the video, i was at work, but i wont be watching it anyway. Im not interested in what anyone else is doing with it or what they think of it. I'll wait till i try it for myself in the shop

[dcfac73]

Ghettosynth-

I'm no longer going to respond to you. You argue in circles. You ask questions, people answer them. You keep asking the same questions and points. etc etc. There's something wrong with you.

[ghettosynth]

Example of what is possible if you know how to use it...




You don't think that's possible with just live? Really? Do you think that's somehow elevated?

Of course it is. But it's better fun twisting knobs and using faders and not looking at the screen too much. And yes u could use a midi controller, but the problem with that is u'd need to map it, and there would still be screen looking to see which knob controlled what.

Look if you love Ableton so much ,go ahead and use it. The thing you can't seem to get in ur head is that different approaches suit different people.

Stop talking about me as if you know me, you don't. Moreover, learn to read, I've played live with hardware only for years. I implicitly get the difference, ergo, you should realize that I'm not talking about that at all. If you don't, then perhaps it's you that's not up to this conversation?

The video you posted was just someone syncing their new toy to ableton, you presented as if it demonstrated "what's possible." So what is that thing that's possible? That you can get 808/909 samples out of a different box? So what? What's the elevation? What EXACTLY is possible?

Seriously, I can't see why that is so hard for you to grasp.

There's nothing in this conversation that's difficult for me to grasp. Saying something doesn't make it so.

[ghettosynth]

Ghettosynth-

I'm no longer going to respond to you. You argue in circles. You ask questions, people answer them.

You keep asking the same questions and points. etc etc. There's something wrong with you.

Dude, you aren't an expert on anything, least of all, other people. You don't have to respond, that's your choice, but keep your speculation about others to yourself.

[ghettosynth]

Live at Studio76 Madrid: good, bad, new old? It's just the first few minutes of his set.

https://soundcloud.com/alexvazquezmusic ... drid-05-04

Gear: Roland Aira TR-8, Roland Aira VT-3, Roland TR-707, Doepfer MS-404, Novation Bass Station II, Moog Minitaur, Cyclone TT-303, Korg Volca Bass, Korg Volca Beats, Korg Volca Keys, MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay

Loaded question....its subjective. Unlikely you will know whats playing what anyway.

Oh cmon, you can clearly hear the TR-8, well, I can. Seriously, you can't tell the TR-8 from volca beats in a live mix where it's pretty much stated that there's no other drum machine, well other than the 707? Ok, so yeah, maybe the 707 is the TR8,or something like that. Wait, you mean it doesn't matter whether it's real or roms?

i havent watch the video, i was at work

Well, you can hardly speculate that you can't tell what's what then, amiright?

, but i wont be watching it anyway. Im not interested in what anyone else is doing with it or what they think of it. I'll wait till i try it for myself in the shop

Look, I get that you want to evaluate it yourself, anyone who's serious feels the same way, but really, you aren't interested in what others are doing with it? Really? You aren't interested in how it sounds in a mix? You aren't interested in how it blends with new analogs and old romplers? I bet you are.

My better half asked me, unprompted, while I was playing the John Heckle video, and I quote, "is that real dance music?" She thought that it might be someone just noodling on youtube. I asked her, to tell me what she thought of it, she said that it sounded like "elevator techno", that the drums were particularly cheesy.

See, she's not a musician, at all, but she's definitely an EDM aficionado. Are people so bored with laptop performances that, to them, all of a sudden "elevator techno" is something that they want to hear live, just because it's not a laptop?

[Kriminal]

Live at Studio76 Madrid: good, bad, new old? It's just the first few minutes of his set.

https://soundcloud.com/alexvazquezmusic ... drid-05-04

Gear: Roland Aira TR-8, Roland Aira VT-3, Roland TR-707, Doepfer MS-404, Novation Bass Station II, Moog Minitaur, Cyclone TT-303, Korg Volca Bass, Korg Volca Beats, Korg Volca Keys, MXR Carbon Copy Analog Delay

Loaded question....its subjective. Unlikely you will know whats playing what anyway.

Oh cmon, you can clearly hear the TR-8, well, I can. Seriously, you can't tell the TR-8 from volca beats in a live mix where it's pretty much stated that there's no other drum machine, well other than the 707? Ok, so yeah, maybe the 707 is the TR8,or something like that. Wait, you mean it doesn't matter whether it's real or roms?

i havent watch the video, i was at work

Well, you can hardly speculate that you can't tell what's what then, amiright?

i can quite easily speculate. There's a lot of it going on in this thread

, but i wont be watching it anyway. Im not interested in what anyone else is doing with it or what they think of it. I'll wait till i try it for myself in the shop

Look, I get that you want to evaluate it yourself, anyone who's serious feels the same way, but really, you aren't interested in what others are doing with it? Really?

No

You aren't interested in how it sounds in a mix?

it would sound how i wanted it too

You aren't interested in how it blends with new analogs and old romplers?

Blends? whats does that even mean? you making assumptions about how im going to use it....im taking about the System-1 anyway, im not really in the market for the other stuff.

I bet you are.

you lost the bet

[ghettosynth]

Blends? whats does that even mean? you making assumptions about how im going to use it....im taking about the System-1 anyway, im not really in the market for the other stuff.

Well, there's no system-1 in that video, so I'm not sure why you're responding, other than to be argumentative. And I'm making no assumptions about how you're going to use it, I'm simply asking a question. If you're going to use it standalone, then so be it. Look, I don't care if you don't like the language, but your tone is uncalled for. Musicians have been talking about how a particular instrument blends, or fits in a mix with other instruments, for as long as I can remember. I think that you knew what I meant.

I bet you are.

you lost the bet

We'll see, I wouldn't expect you to say anything else, now.

[dcfac73]

It's not speculation. You don't have to be "an expert on anything at all" to know there's something wrong with you. It's clearly obvious.

I wish you well with whatever is going on in your head.

[Kriminal]

I dont care what you expect. I'll keep posting as i feel like it. If you have a problem with that, dont read the posts.

[ghettosynth]

Here's John Heckle playing just a 707 live with some records.



Here he is at the boiler room with just a rompler keyboard and a 707, so rompler+rompler. Taking advantage of "tap" programming and level controls. Keep in mind, this is all samples. You can do this with any sample based drum machine that has level controls, samples and "tap"-programming, but he likes that 707.



What do you think of these performances? Do you like them?

[ghettosynth]

I dont care what you expect. I'll keep posting as i feel like it. If you have a problem with that, dont read the posts.

I don't have a problem with anything, I'm just pointing out the flaws, that's all. If you have a problem with that, then you don't need to read my posts either, amiright.

[Kriminal]

Here's John Heckle playing just a 707 live with some records.



Here he is at the boiler room with just a rompler keyboard and a 707, so rompler+rompler. Taking advantage of "tap" programming and level controls. Keep in mind, this is all samples. You can do this with any sample based drum machine that has level controls, samples and "tap"-programming, but he likes that 707.



What do you think of these performances? Do you like them?

Do YOU like them?

[ghettosynth]

It's not speculation. You don't have to be "an expert on anything at all" to know there's something wrong with you. It's clearly obvious.

I wish you well with whatever is going on in your head.

Actually you do have to be an expert, and if you don't know that, you might want to consider some additional education. Since you're not my doctor, anything that you say about my health is nothing but speculation, and moreover, is not only inappropriate for this forum, but simply inappropriate, period. I feel like your mother should have taught you that. Apparently she didn't?

The bottom line here is that you can't handle criticism of your ideas and instead of addressing those criticisms, you attack the person making them. That says a lot more about your limitations than it does about mine my friend.

I'm talking about music, the new Roland drum machines, and old Roland drum machines. Those are on topic for this thread. You seem to just be talking about me, perhaps you should consider looking for a new fixation?