Reason 12 is here

[kmonkey]

No, it's still super-stable...

No, nope.

According to Reasontalk forum - Reason 12 was far from being stable.

Though I won't be surprised if you don't find any info on this because moderators on reason-talk are deleting "bad looking" threads very actively. This isn't even a theory anymore. It's a know fact, they delete bug reports and all that under the excuse of policy violation.

Just yesterday I saw a thread where people referenced their own bug report threads which were deleted.

But you always have changelog

https://www.reasonstudios.com/en/reason ... ease-notes

Tell me how many of "Fixed a bug that could cause Reason to crash" you can count? There are a lot of them.

[jens]

Pretty pointless to mention that now, me thinks...

there might have been a phase between V12's initial release and now where it has been really buggy and crashed a lot, however I was using V11 during that time, so I watched that sail past from a safe distance...
(because of early reports of absurd bugginess too, but mainly because I wasn't willing to pay that much for such an abysmal update - even after a few months of using V12 I still didn't really notice any difference, so the 65€ or so I paid was actually still way too much )

But before that it was always super-stable and it is now, so what's your point really?

Deleting posts is super crappy behaviour though, of course - but then again: what else do you expect from the company as it is now? (After all we have seen... )

[hotmitts]

maybe just because I'm not used to that workflow (keep having to zoom around/close windows/ zoom back/open windows etc etc)

If there is one thing I hate about Reason as a DAW is its zooming stuff. It is just...Makes me wanna get up and turn off everything. In comparison, Ableton is almost perfect in this regard. But Reason? First you have to find that tiny tiny 1 pixel size + thing on your monitor. Infuriating.

Which is what I believe I was referring to as a cluttered mess.

From what I've seen though, most DAWs are a devil to navigate, maybe its in the nature of how much is going on. Ableton sounds like an exception ? Dont use it.
The discussion about how people work is interesting. People have many different, sometimes opposite ways of working.
DAWs have to be all things to everyone but maybe it would be interesting if they were more specialised in a way- the guitarist Daw, the soundtrack Daw etc

[SLiC]

Most DAWs are merging to have a similar one screen look - S1, Cubase, Bitwig, Logic etc I think if you can use one you can probably use them all with a little effort. Reason is a different paradigm and to me (even with the hires update_) looks dated in some ways, especially the mixer. The DAW is actually pretty feature packed and very easy to use, but the DAW, Mixer and rack feel like 3 separate programs to me that you are 'switching' between, this is possibly by design possibly due to the merging of 'Record' (which was a separate program), but it has never felt right to me and despite liking the DAW I mainly use the rack in other DAWS.

[hotmitts]

'Record' was one of the first to do channel strip emulation if I recall. Its commonplace now...reason's thing is that it looks like hardware I suppose . I find it visually quite easy to work out whats going on at any rate, without having to consult manuals. Midi edit I find a total pain in all of the programs I've tried - just flipping views and losing where you are etc.

[jens]

reason's thing is that it looks like hardware I suppose

It doesn't look like hardware, it kind of looks like a cute comic-book drawing of hardware - which personally I love. I talked to my wife about it (who's an art-expert of sorts) and she said it looks (not the least because of the colours (original, bright theme) a lot more feminine than the other DAWs, which tend to look a lot more masculine and technical. I think she has a point. And it also might help to explain why some find it terrible and others more inspiring than everything else.

[hotmitts]

reason's thing is that it looks like hardware I suppose

It doesn't look like hardware, it kind of looks like a cute comic-book drawing of hardware - which personally I love. I talked to my wife about it (who's an art-expert of sorts) and she said it looks (not the least because of the colours (original, bright theme) a lot more feminine than the other DAWs, which tend to look a lot more masculine and technical. I think she has a point. And it also might help to explain why some find it terrible and others more inspiring than everything else.

Great points! Love it. Ha!
In a silly mood but the masculine/feminine thing reminded me of Toni from 'The Fast Show'

[EnochLight]

Sorry, I thought by stating in Reason 12 I was saying exactly that, not talking about using it as a rack, but with the complete program

Reason DAW? Eh, still don't get how it's a cluttered mess. But I'm used to utilizing dual monitors, as well as F5/F6/F7. Pretty easy to jump into, actually.

Of course it is subjective, but isn't that the point in discussions about sounds, people exchange their ideas and viewpoints. If sound quality (perhaps better to say sound appeal) was something that could be objectively determined, there would be no discussion to be had...subjectivity is not necessarily a bad thing, it's kind of human and the reason behind personal taste and opinions.

I get that. I mean, as you said by your own admission you're a..

dead set lazy prick when it comes to sound and quite a simple chap

I strongly encourage you to install that Favorites link I posted for you to have all of the new R12 content easily curated. As I said, there are some gems in there. If you think it's all shite, I'd be interested to know what you do think sounds great, though?

[SLiC]

I strongly encourage you to install that Favorites link I posted for you to have all of the new R12 content easily curated. As I said, there are some gems in there. If you think it's all shite, I'd be interested to know what you do think sounds great, though?

Personally I found that very useful, thanks.

[EnochLight]

Personally I found that very useful, thanks.

No worries - glad it helped!

'Record' was one of the first to do channel strip emulation if I recall. Its commonplace now...

Correct. Back when 'Record' came out, in all other DAW you had to use plugins to get that sort of emulation. 'Record' took the "well, here's what we think a virtual SSL9000K would look like, and sound like" even though Propellerhead never got official endorsement from Solid State Logic. Or any endorsement at all, really. For all its shortcomings, Reason DAW's main mixer is one area that's both loved and loathed. I find it super easy to use and get a great sound out of - alone - without any plugins. That was super rare back when 'Record" first appeared on the scene.

[jens]

Correct. Back when 'Record' came out, in all other DAW you had to use plugins to get that sort of emulation. 'Record' took the "well, here's what we think a virtual SSL9000K would look like, and sound like" even though Propellerhead never got official endorsement from Solid State Logic.

except, of course, that it isn't (and never was) a console emulation - all they - kind of - emulated was the dynamic section(s), the EQ and lhe look/layout of an SSL.

[EnochLight]

except, of course, that it isn't (and never was) a console emulation - all they - kind of - emulated was the dynamic section(s), the EQ and lhe look/layout of an SSL.

Semantics. Either way, it was their "take" on the SSL 9000K at the time.

[jens]

Semantics? That's bullshit, frankly speaking!
Many console emulations don't even have any EQ or compressor. Maybe you just don't know what that term conventionally means. i suggest you do some rading up on this.

[EnochLight]

Semantics? That's bullshit, frankly speaking!
Many console emulations don't even have any EQ or compressor. Maybe you just don't know what that term conventionally means. i suggest you do some rading up on this.

Sure.

[jens]

Laughing at your own stupidity and ignorance there...