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[Hank the Knife]

Well, I do love rock too, but there are an amount of euro dance songs which were produced about 20 years ago which are still unique. No doubt about it, whether one likes it or not.

[robotmonkey]

And regarding the elititst behavior: Most of the elitists here, if you want so, judge about artists which do millions with their music, while they never made a penny with it, plus they never even posted anything remotely impressive here in the music café. Sorry to be harsh, but that is so. People who really do impressive stuff just do it, they don't complain about how shitty others music is, or bash whole genres. Only untalented fools do that. Sorry for the harsh words.

That's pretty dumb logic right there. One does not even have to be musician in a sense of the word to criticize music. A music historian or critic with a broad knowledge of history and theory of music can say more relevant things than any musician regardless how much money he makes. Like the saying goes: one does not have to be a cook to criticize an overbaked omelet.

[trimph1]

It's still people like Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, Peter Hammill, members of King Crimson or Steven Wilson and many other older musicians that are the masters of production.

So it is raaaawck that matters then

I think from day one when I started listening to music back in the 80's I've had raaaawck fans telling me that forget Kraftwerk, they only press buttons.

I see 30 years later the argument hasn't changed much

I can see all of us as a bunch of old farts in a nursing home still argying about whose genre was better than whose

[xbitz]

Above & Beyond follows the right yellow road IMO, have u seen their acoustic one?



For those who thought that DJ's music was just a computer, software and a mixer ...

[T-CM11]

It's still people like Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno, Peter Hammill, members of King Crimson or Steven Wilson and many other older musicians that are the masters of production.

So it is raaaawck that matters then

I think from day one when I started listening to music back in the 80's I've had raaaawck fans telling me that forget Kraftwerk, they only press buttons.

I see 30 years later the argument hasn't changed much

Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno... Rock?

[T-CM11]

For those who thought that DJ's music was just a computer, software and a mixer ...

I thought DJ's jockey discs.

[Numanoid]

Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno... Rock?

So you are saying they are EDM

Peter Gabriel is typical AOR.

Brian Eno, watchsamacallit, he has both made and produced enough raaawck artists to be labelled a raaaawcker.

[T-CM11]

Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno... Rock?

So you are saying they are EDM

Peter Gabriel is typical AOR.

Brian Eno, watchsamacallit, he has both made and produced enough raaawck artists to be labelled a raaaawcker.

Have you ever looked at a guitar?


I'm sure you have, you raaaawcker!!

[T-CM11]

I don't understand. How could someone forget this?
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...the lucky ones did!

[Hank the Knife]

@robotmonkey

'One does not even have to be musician in a sense of the word to criticize music. A music historian or critic with a broad knowledge of history and theory of music can say more relevant things than any musician regardless how much money he makes. Like the saying goes: one does not have to be a cook to criticize an overbaked omelet.'

Higly debatable, Mozart was a forgotten composer during the 19th century. It's just that a guy named Casadesus picked up his compositions again for the world in the 20th century.
Casadesus even wrote a Mozart symphony himself, which was regarded as a Mozart symphony by all critics until he revealed he'd written the piece himself. Speaking of 'historians'....

[Numanoid]

Briano Eno must have made one of the most disappointing debut albums of all time.

So much time spent bitching while in Roxy Music how he can't express himself, and how he is tied, blah blah blah.

And what does he do with Here Come the Warm Jets, make a glam rock album, only difference it aint of Roxy Music standard.

[chk071]

And regarding the elititst behavior: Most of the elitists here, if you want so, judge about artists which do millions with their music, while they never made a penny with it, plus they never even posted anything remotely impressive here in the music café. Sorry to be harsh, but that is so. People who really do impressive stuff just do it, they don't complain about how shitty others music is, or bash whole genres. Only untalented fools do that. Sorry for the harsh words.

That's pretty dumb logic right there. One does not even have to be musician in a sense of the word to criticize music. A music historian or critic with a broad knowledge of history and theory of music can say more relevant things than any musician regardless how much money he makes. Like the saying goes: one does not have to be a cook to criticize an overbaked omelet.

But you gotta have a taste, and be able to judge the quality of the omelette. What if you don't like omelette at all? You won't be able to judge the quality in any way then. Maybe that it's overcooked, granted. But what would be the comparison if it comes to music? Over produced, over compressed? Is that better, worse? Obviously a lot of people tend to think it's better, otherwise it wouldn't be like that.

Anyway, all i wanted to say is i don't like that genre bashing. I don't listen to prog rock, but i would never come up with the idea of bashing it, or saying the musicians are untalented, and uninspired. Good (and therefor popular) music doesn't come without talent or insipration. I think i can say that much.

[robotmonkey]

Briano Eno must have made one of the most disappointing debut albums of all time.

So much time spent bitching while in Roxy Music how he can't express himself, and how he is tied, blah blah blah.

And what does he do with Here Come the Warm Jets, make a glam rock album, only difference it aint of Roxy Music standard.

Indeed. The two first Eno albums were not that good. But from Another Green World onwards he made some real masterpieces.

[trimph1]

Peter Gabriel, Brian Eno... Rock?

So you are saying they are EDM

Peter Gabriel is typical AOR.

Brian Eno, watchsamacallit, he has both made and produced enough raaawck artists to be labelled a raaaawcker.

Have you ever looked at a guitar?


I'm sure you have, you raaaawcker!!

HEY!!! Leave my guitars and basses out of this!!!!

[Hank the Knife]

@robotmonkey
Brian Eno sounds pretty dated to me, however, that's just my opinion. I rest my case.