Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[Sascha Franck]

However, the level of vitriol spewed at Battery by some people is on another level. And you could say the same thing about people's reactions towards NI, in general.

It's well deserved. Besides, it's not "vitriol spewed at Battery" but at the company behind it. The poor little thing itself can't do anything against not being developed any further.

[Sindikhate]

To be honest it was not snarky.

The amount of vitriol you have thrown at NI the last couple of weeks here and on Gearspace is damaging our chance to keep these products updated in the future. 0.0001% maybe ? More? Less? It does not matter. You have made it clear you have a huge dislike for the company. It has been noted. I wonder how many of their products you own at this moment in time. (not what you may have owned in the past).

What product we shall pick next for you to tear up? FM8? Massive? Reaktor?

[digitalboytn]

To be honest it was not snarky.

The amount of vitriol you have thrown at NI the last couple of weeks here and on Gearspace is damaging our chance to keep these products updated in the future. 0.0001% maybe ? More? Less? It does not matter. You have made it clear you have a huge dislike for the company. It has been noted. I wonder how many of their products you own at this moment in time. (not what you may have owned in the past).

What product we shall pick next for you to tear up? FM8? Massive? Reaktor?

A bad workman will always blame his tool

[Sascha Franck]

I wonder how many of their products you own at this moment in time. (not what you may have owned in the past).

Komplete Ultimate (v12). Guess that qualifies as "quite some" NI products (and most of them are in fact up to date - apart from Kontakt and Absynth, not much was updated ever since).

What product we shall pick next for you to tear up? FM8? Massive? Reaktor?

Very happily so. Shall we start with Reaktor? Runs like a** on silicon Macs because they completely abandoned support. It's running a whole lot better on my 2010 Intel Mac Pro, go figure.

Or maybe we could pick Super 8. Released as a separate instrument when it came out. Was running just fine - now it's only available as a Reaktor ensemble anymore and works - well, just like Reaktor works on silicon Macs.

[enCiphered]

A bad workman will always blame his tool

For sure. This isn’t critique anymore, it’s public self-humiliation. Turned hating NI into a personality, like a jilted ex who keeps crashing weddings to remind everyone they’re still bitter.

What’s genuinely impressive is the confidence with which this guy repeats while adding absolutely nothing. Just raw resentment on loop. If NI vanished tomorrow, he would have nothing left to say and no one left to blame.
This is what someone looks like when they’re trying to explain years of personal failure. Companies, updates, policies.. Whatever fits the excuse of the week.

[Sascha Franck]

A bad workman will always blame his tool

Trying to be funny, aren't we? Didn't work too well...

I mean, you guys should possibly check yourself before throwing meaningless ad hominems at me.

As it started with it: Defending Battery 4 because you can still use it is completely absurd. I'm using all versions of Battery in each and every of my projects since Battery 2 was released. And there's several (proveable) things where V4 is quite a lot worse than V3, no way around that. It's stupid to say otherwise - unless you don't know your tools properly. So there.

[mi-os]

Yeah, the NI haters are very attracted to the unfortunate news and therefore also this thread.

[dionenoid]

A bad workman will always blame his tool

For sure. This isn’t critique anymore, it’s public self-humiliation. Turned hating NI into a personality, like a jilted ex who keeps crashing weddings to remind everyone they’re still bitter.

What’s genuinely impressive is the confidence with which this guy repeats while adding absolutely nothing. Just raw resentment on loop. If NI vanished tomorrow, he would have nothing left to say and no one left to blame.
This is what someone looks like when they’re trying to explain years of personal failure. Companies, updates, policies.. Whatever fits the excuse of the week.

And that on many forums simultaneously, for year and years. Trolling every NI topic. Even starting multiple ones himself, whenever he gets the chance to bash something.

[Sascha Franck]

And that on many forums simultaneously, for year and years. Trolling every NI topic. Even starting multiple ones himself, whenever he gets the chance to bash something.

Let me ask you this: Why are you lying?
I mean, if you weren't, you could surely point me to these multiple threads and "every NI topic", right?

Otherwise, and that goes for the other guys as well: There's the ignore function. Make use of it and I'm out of your life once and forever.
But no, you're very obviously not using that tool - instead, you get all excited about your oh-so-clever ad hominem attacks and that you've found some other folks that would join in.

[kraster]

However, the level of vitriol spewed at Battery by some people is on another level. And you could say the same thing about people's reactions towards NI, in general.

It's well deserved. Besides, it's not "vitriol spewed at Battery" but at the company behind it. The poor little thing itself can't do anything against not being developed any further.

You called the product "ass" which, of course ,is your prerogative but it seems based on your very particular critique.

It's also an exceedingly glass half empty approach which really misrepresents the differences between Battery 3&4.

Battery 4 added much better routing, much better time and pitch processing, better sample editing, better browsing and tagging, more effects, more workflow improvements, an updated UI and a bunch more stuff.

Personally I think all of those were a vast improvement over Battery 3. The video you posted mentions nothing about these things and goes for mainly nitpicky stuff.

The only one that is meaningful is the lack of preview in place and that's certainly not enough to declare Battery 3 a winner and certainly not to declare it "ass"

[Vortifex]

Or maybe we could pick Super 8. Released as a separate instrument when it came out. Was running just fine

Apart from some major bugs which never got fixed.

NI are terrible at fixing things. Almost 3 years ago they released an update that broke a bunch of their VST2 effects in FL Studio. They only just recently released a fix... but didn't provide the VST2 versions for download

[Sascha Franck]

You called the product "ass"

I don't think I did. I said Reaktor would perform like "a**" on silicon Macs. And that was it.

which, of course ,is your prerogative but it seems based on your very particular critique.

In case of Battery 4, I only compared it to Battery 3 - and there's *proveable* dis-improvements coming with V4 (unless you actually happen to think things such as the recent preview function are actually better...).

Battery 4 added much better routing, much better time and pitch processing, better sample editing, better browsing and tagging, more effects, more workflow improvements, an updated UI and a bunch more stuff.

I'm not even denying that. Not at all. But yet, it took away some functionality that quite some folks seem to think of being an essential part of what they liked with B3.

The video you posted mentions nothing about these things and goes for mainly nitpicky stuff.

I don't think any of the things mentioned in the video qualifies as "nitpicky". And it doesn't have to showcase things where B4 might be better, it's recorded to showcase where it got quite a lot worse.

The only one that is meaningful is the lack of preview in place and that's certainly not enough to declare Battery 3 a winner

This is 100% subjective. For (likely plenty) of other folks, several things are as important.

and certainly not to declare it "ass"

You will have to show me where I did that. I said "it sucks". And I stand with that statement.

Besides, Battery is dead. Which, regarless of whether you prefer either version, is just plain sucking.

[cron]

Yeah, the NI haters are very attracted to the unfortunate news and therefore also this thread.

Well if I've learned anything from this thread, it's that there's a small coterie of NI likers remaining in the year 2026. I suppose someone had to be buying the endless stream of Maschine expansions while long-time users watched the soul of the company rot off the vine in real time.

[SLiC]

Yeah, the NI haters are very attracted to the unfortunate news and therefore also this thread.

Well if I've learned anything from this thread, it's that there's a small coterie of NI likers remaining in the year 2026. I suppose someone had to be buying the endless stream of Maschine expansions while long-time users watched the soul of the company rot off the vine in real time.

NI have about 1.5 Million active users, you probably find more than a handful that like their stuff, although I agree there has been way to much filler, there is still some great stuff being released for Kontakt and the 88 MK 3 is without a doubt the best midi controller I have used....more than happy with the way thewy work together for composing with NKS2.

[dayjob]

Yeah, the NI haters are very attracted to the unfortunate news and therefore also this thread.

Well if I've learned anything from this thread, it's that there's a small coterie of NI likers remaining in the year 2026. I suppose someone had to be buying the endless stream of Maschine expansions while long-time users watched the soul of the company rot off the vine in real time.

the whole thing is just sad from any perspective. i’m hopeful that this somehow shakes the venture capital monkey off NI’s back and reduces the company to core team of passionate people with a plan to go forward that keeps the best of what NI offers and maintains everything else until they get to greener pastures.

i have no expectation on what will happen but i hope for the best for the sake of … everyone.