Ohmboyz Infinity

[biomechanoid]

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sure....but a weiner that doesnt have to nag all the time about m1 and rosetta and whatever and whos plugins all work steady without fear

So mind your own business and be happy with your choices. No-one is ever going to switch to Windows because of your blinkered opinion.

It is a bit of a head scratcher watching Mac users make the same complaints over and over and over. Reminds me of when I got a new robot vacuum and it couldn’t read the glass doors as barriers and continued to try to get outside, but at least with that one I was able to use the app to manually draw a barrier for it. Sadly there’s no app for Mac users. They’ll just keep buying them and keep complaining about compatibility issues, as if they haven’t happened many times before. This is the way.

So mind your own business and be happy with your choices. No-one is ever going to switch to Windows because of your blinkered opinion.

True, it’s hard to reprogram cult members, but illuminating the issue may help future generations of making the same mistake, so this is my business. If I can help one person avoid the pain of finding out their plugins no longer work due to an OS update, I’ve completed my mission.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me why I don't bother with this forum anymore, you tedious moron.

[zerocrossing]

sure....but a weiner that doesnt have to nag all the time about m1 and rosetta and whatever and whos plugins all work steady without fear

So mind your own business and be happy with your choices. No-one is ever going to switch to Windows because of your blinkered opinion.

It is a bit of a head scratcher watching Mac users make the same complaints over and over and over. Reminds me of when I got a new robot vacuum and it couldn’t read the glass doors as barriers and continued to try to get outside, but at least with that one I was able to use the app to manually draw a barrier for it. Sadly there’s no app for Mac users. They’ll just keep buying them and keep complaining about compatibility issues, as if they haven’t happened many times before. This is the way.

So mind your own business and be happy with your choices. No-one is ever going to switch to Windows because of your blinkered opinion.

True, it’s hard to reprogram cult members, but illuminating the issue may help future generations of making the same mistake, so this is my business. If I can help one person avoid the pain of finding out their plugins no longer work due to an OS update, I’ve completed my mission.

Yeah, thanks for reminding me why I don't bother with this forum anymore, you tedious moron.

So delicate. You should probably avoid the internet altogether. Maybe even stay inside and pull down the blinds. You may accidentally come across someone saying something that doesn’t mesh up with your world view.

[dayjob]

The seeing the VST bit is unrelated to native or non-native. You should see it no problem.

Your take on not buying non-silicon native surprises me but I'll look into it. Most of the people at Ohm are Mac guys. But we didn't talk enough at the coffee machine, bc remote working for years. Just asked them. If anyone here wants to chime in it will be interesting.

"my take" on not buying non-native apple silicon software is common. you can read it in many posts all over the various forums and reddit etc. it's a common topic.

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VST plug ins will not load in a host running natively if they are not native versions. AU plug ins will because of the "AU Hosting Compatibility Service" app which runs as intel on apple silicon. (see pics). the VST versions of non-native plug ins will only show up if the DAW is running in rosetta. I'm not running my DAWs in rosetta. they all run natively now. why would i use rosetta when there's a performance hit and the apple silicon versions work better for me?

[Red_Force]

I understand this may be frustrating to you to have to explain the obvious but this is actually useful to me. We don't have people in such a stance inside Ohm Force but I can see your reasons.
It's not great news bc making those ports is horribly costly. Apple optimizes for fresh experience whereas Microsoft is low key quite serious on retro compatibility. I guess this kind of issue will always come up.
Oh well. Food for thought.

Ah, another question - what is the purpose to use VST if AU works?

[dayjob]

I understand this may be frustrating to you to have to explain the obvious but this is actually useful to me. We don't have people in such a stance inside Ohm Force but I can see your reasons.
It's not great news bc making those ports is horribly costly. Apple optimizes for fresh experience whereas Microsoft is low key quite serious on retro compatibility. I guess this kind of issue will always come up.
Oh well. Food for thought.

Ah, another question - what is the purpose to use VST if AU works?

i'm happy to explain whatever needs explaining from my particular end user point of view.

not every host supports AU. also, there's different capabilities between formats some times. like in logic the Midi plug ins that are a whole separate thing. also, some hosts only support VST3 and not VST2 or they support VST2 and 3 but not AU. there are some plug ins on mac that are only AU. VST2 and VST3 have different midi capabilities apparently. if you dig up the CLAP threads in the dev sub forum here at KVR there's a whole list of complaints from developers about VST2 and VST3 and AU etc.. it sounds like there's no winners.

the whole plug in format thing is another mess in itself.. which has led to CLAP being developed by u-he and Bitwig.

and yes, i totally sympathize w/you and all devs especially the ones who've been in the game a long time and have older software written with different packages that may be now obsolete or whatever.. it's always been this way in varying degrees though hasn't it? i guess it's why there are a handful of devs who don't support apple and only make plug ins for windows machines.

that being said.. i've used both windows and macOS systems to make music.. sometimes at the same time. there are some apple only apps, Logic of course but also things like Five12 Numerology.. and now there's a bunch of iOS stuff that is being supported on MacOS via AuV3 and those plug ins will load in Live and Logic. so.. yet another format.

i don't envy the developers and what they have to deal with and I'm thankful for what they do. You really have to have your shit together to make whatever formats you choose to support work properly in every situation.

i think the biggest thing apple users are feeling these days is hope that all the things they use will be apple silicon native before apple stops supporting rosetta. but this is only really an issue if people update their OS all the time and then are subjected to whatever apple's will is.

[Monsieur_FyP]

True, it’s hard to reprogram cult members, but illuminating the issue may help future generations of making the same mistake, so this is my business. If I can help one person avoid the pain of finding out their plugins no longer work due to an OS update, I’ve completed my mission.

It's a sight to behold, someone who holds the truth!

[zerocrossing]

True, it’s hard to reprogram cult members, but illuminating the issue may help future generations of making the same mistake, so this is my business. If I can help one person avoid the pain of finding out their plugins no longer work due to an OS update, I’ve completed my mission.

It's a sight to behold, someone who holds the truth!

I speak from experience. The first time it happened to me, when they went to Intel processors, I thought, “never again, Apple.” When it was time to upgrade the machine I had (a G5) I bought a PC and that was that. I’m not saying Microsoft is perfect, but that issue has never happened to me again, and frankly I can’t really think of anything I lost from making the move, except maybe a slicker looking UI. It’s not like I don’t have Macs. My house is full of them. Phones, tablets, laptops, Apple TV, etc. I like them all a lot, but when it’s time to actually accomplish something, the PC gets turned on. I’d give people an excuse if this was the second time it happened, but it keeps happening over and over again. It’s like watching a community rebuild the 10th time after a hurricane as they fill the collection basket at their church and pray it doesn’t happen again. It’s a free country, so knock yourself out, but don’t expect me to feel sorry for you. Save those tidings and use them to move.

Oh, and what makes it my business, is when the constant work to struggle with Apple’s OS changes takes away from a brilliant developer’s ability to operate, that hurts us all. Imagine if all those hours dealing with Apple were spent on making their software better or releasing new plugins? Apple is holding us back.

[Monsieur_FyP]

don’t expect me to feel sorry for you. Save those tidings and use them to move.

Please, don't be sorry for me: no Mac has ever caused me the horrific torment you describe. And so I don't need Windows to save me from a panic I don't feel.

By the way, Windows users seem strangely obsessed with Apple on the KVR forum... Personally, I never think about Microsoft! And I don't care whether their customers are happy or unhappy, whether they need to be "saved" from some "fault". Windows makes you proud of your choices? Enjoy! A little pride is good for your health. Too much pride and too much craze, on the other hand...

[dayjob]

jfc can you all take the windows/apple nonsense somewhere else? get a room. no one cares it's the most dead horse of all the dead horses.

[Red_Force]

Dayjob thx a lot for taking the time.

[simmo75]

Dayjob thx a lot for taking the time.

Hi Red_Force, mac user here who hasn't been able to use Infinity since going silicon.

When will there be a native silicon VST3 version, I use Nuendo on M1 chip so it's essential.

Good to see you back, apologies if this was asked already, i'm in between meetings at work, so just hopped on quickly.

[zerocrossing]

don’t expect me to feel sorry for you. Save those tidings and use them to move.

Please, don't be sorry for me: no Mac has ever caused me the horrific torment you describe. And so I don't need Windows to save me from a panic I don't feel.

By the way, Windows users seem strangely obsessed with Apple on the KVR forum... Personally, I never think about Microsoft! And I don't care whether their customers are happy or unhappy, whether they need to be "saved" from some "fault". Windows makes you proud of your choices? Enjoy! A little pride is good for your health. Too much pride and too much craze, on the other hand...

Mac users: “waaah! Legacy software doesn’t work for us! Let’s post about all the software that’s still not compatible with OS X Poughkeepsie and try and shame developers into rewriting their software!”

Windows users: “Shut up already. We’re sick of your whining.”

Mac users: “why are Windows users so obsessed with us?”

Linux users: “we have nothing… ”

Fin.

[Red_Force]

Dayjob thx a lot for taking the time.

Hi Red_Force, mac user here who hasn't been able to use Infinity since going silicon.

When will there be a native silicon VST3 version, I use Nuendo on M1 chip so it's essential.

Good to see you back, apologies if this was asked already, i'm in between meetings at work, so just hopped on quickly.

You don't need native to work on mac. The plugs are *developped* on mac. That's where they're tested first. You can DM me/mail us for detailed support (or do it here as mb that will be of interest to more ppl). In all cases, key question is whether you were part of the pre 1.0 users, your install history etc.

VST 3 very soon.

Native not anytime soon.

[revvy]

There are some f'kd Doze uzers on KVR SMH lol derp.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

You're supposed to have a working non native version and tbh it's unclear what a native one would bring.

How about confidence? Firstly, from you in your products and then from previous and potential new customers.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who has sympathy/empathy for your health situation, along with the various other issues that have affected Ohmforce over the last few years. Whether that's enough to counter the negative perception your company now has is not clear. I'm sure you're trying to help matters, but I think you might be making them worse.

It seems that this is the moment where you're make a big push to establish a clearer position in the plugin market, going forward. And yet, not only are you already behind 'the curve' when it comes to the current standard as far as Mac plugins go, but you're pushing back on customers to justify why you should put the extra effort into reaching that standard.

That kind of laissez-faire attitude would seem at odds with a company looking to distance itself from the negative reputation that currently surrounds them.

Like many, I used to love your plugins. Also, like many, i loved the branding and the way you seemed to do things on your own terms. But that whole doing things on your own terms can quickly turn into a negative...especially if it looks like you're treating your Mac users as 2nd-class citizens.

We get it! Jumping through Apple's many hoops on a yearly basis is a ship-show. But complaining about it these days is as passé as complaining about the weather. And I've yet to see a developer with the nuts to drop Apple support...which would be preferable to half-arsing it, resenting it (and also resenting Apple users) and/or trying to make paying customers justify your keeping up with it all.

I'm sure you'll sell plugins, 'cause you make great plugins...and people are addicted to buying plugins. But for me, the warning signs to 'Stay Away!' are still very much there. I doubt that makes any difference to you, but it's a shame for me.

Performances would be better, sure, but would you notice?

Is there nobody else in your comany who's better suited to customer-relations?



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Anyway...No ill-will meant. I hope y'all get it together


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