Plogue OPS7 (bit-accurate DX7 emulation!)

[gentleclockdivider]

The only noticeable diference I heard is at 02:49 , where the first chord played by ops7 seems to have some slight upward pitch bend , the dx7 doesn't .
At 03:15 mark there are also differences , but these could be due to non key synced operators .
For the rest it's really spot on , the noise and artifacts are
Anyway it's not me you got to convince , I use it on a daily basis and still love it to death

[kobal]

there is like a little bump in the low mids on the software , i could see some people prefering this and it might bet better for some sound,the hardware has better / more neutral tonal balance giving a clearer sound and probably better transients .plugin sound a bit like a moog dx7 it has a rounder sound and might also sound more modern/ less vintage / less artifacts on some sounds.

[hurricaneaudiolab]

I'm sure there is some OPS7 setting configuration that will match my specific DX7 even more accurately, but I don't see the need to figure that out because for me, OPS7 is already there.

[davidv@plogue]

The only noticeable diference I heard is at 02:49 , where the first chord played by ops7 seems to have some slight upward pitch bend , the dx7 doesn't .

The DX7 pitch modulations are not key synched so the initial voice pitch when using the DX7's cpu driven pitch mod its essentially a 'lottery'. I don't have this particular preset, but I would be willing to bet playing the same thing multiple times on HW wouldn't sound the same either. The firmware does some magic there.

As far as final EQ timbre, no two DX7s will sound the exact same.

[gentleclockdivider]

In renoise we have the option to render a vst instrument to instrument , it bassically renders each key at a defined velocity setting and duration.
With plogue ops , the settings are set to 500ms duration and 500 ms tail , so a total of 1000ms . but it always renders each note at 500 ms
This only happens with plogue ops 7
Perhaps this is a security setting since I know you're cautious of people who do this with the demo , but I bought ops7 it since day uno
Exampl shown : first is plogue ops 7 , then zebra HZ

[davidv@plogue]

We have no such security setting on purpose. Why would we do this? It would mean making the plugin deviate from its bit accuracy.
With all due respect I'm not sure I follow why we should investigate a bug in a 3rd party app that is essentially a free game for pirates.
Regards

[MadBrain]

In some cases (generally involving algorithm 16, 17, 18), the DX7 never outputs 100% silence, there's a tiny residual volume. OPS7 replicates that effect. Because of this, Renoise's automatic sample trimmer decides to keep the full tail, even though it's nearly but not totally silent. Considering how much storage modern computers have, there's very little impact.

[Spitfire31]

In renoise we have the option to render a vst instrument to instrument , it bassically renders each key at a defined velocity setting and duration.
With plogue ops , the settings are set to 500ms duration and 500 ms tail , so a total of 1000ms . but it always renders each note at 500 ms
This only happens with plogue ops 7
Perhaps this is a security setting since I know you're cautious of people who do this with the demo , but I bought ops7 it since day uno
Exampl shown : first is plogue ops 7 , then zebra HZ

Why don't you just take a nice walk and relax a bit, have a beer and make some music?

[gentleclockdivider]

We have no such security setting on purpose. Why would we do this? It would mean making the plugin deviate from its bit accuracy.
With all due respect I'm not sure I follow why we should investigate a bug in a 3rd party app that is essentially a free game for pirates.
Regards

I ams sorry dave ( not the voice of HAL , I didn't want to step on your toes but first of all , renoise is not jsut a third party app , it's a pretty damn stable host and I don't get your reference that renoise is a free game for pirates ,?
That renoise feature is meant to OFFLOAD cpu intensive vstis and turn them into sample based renoise instruments .
Every host that can resample it's output and some clever (automated ) mapping falls under that banner , no ?
I detest pirates just as much as you and I am sure TAKTIK does to ( renoise developer )
What makes you think the bug is in renoise and not ops7 ?
I reported a similar bug a few months ago when rendering to selection , and that was indeed fixed from your part
https://www.plogue.com/plgfrms/viewtopi ... =46&t=9165
This issue only occurs with plogue ops 7 , I only use this feature in renoise with verry cpu intensive plugins which ops7 is NOt , but I just wanted to let you know

[mholloway]

With all due respect I'm not sure I follow why we should investigate a bug in a 3rd party app that is essentially a free game for pirates.
Regards

If Renoise's instrument-sampling feature is nothing more than "a 3rd party app that is essentially a free game for pirates" then so is every Sampler ever released in the history of Sampling as an art form. Do you believe that?

Trackers have always been heavily integrated with the art of Sampling. Renoise continues this trend, and is deeply sample-focused. The inclusion of a feature to quickly sample plugins fits with this paradigm: tracker pattern commands work on Samples, not on MIDI; sampling instruments therefore allows Renoise users to use the full-range of classic tracker commands on their instruments, otherwise impossible if the instrument is in MIDI / Plugin mode.

Broadly reducing it to a 'game for pirates' is an out of touch, ignorant, reductionistic, and frankly just foolish statement. It also just makes no sense: is sampling a plugin really considered a stand-in for the plugin itself? How crap would a plugin have to be for that to actually be true? Renoise / trackers represent a highly specific use case where having quick-access to a sampled version of an instrument is useful (again: Tracker Commands). It's not a replacement for the instrument itself, which should be pretty clear to someone who understands it, but perhaps not to someone forming broad, damning conclusions without bothering to know what they are talking about.

[gentleclockdivider]

In renoise we have the option to render a vst instrument to instrument , it bassically renders each key at a defined velocity setting and duration.
With plogue ops , the settings are set to 500ms duration and 500 ms tail , so a total of 1000ms . but it always renders each note at 500 ms
This only happens with plogue ops 7
Perhaps this is a security setting since I know you're cautious of people who do this with the demo , but I bought ops7 it since day uno
Exampl shown : first is plogue ops 7 , then zebra HZ

Why don't you just take a nice walk and relax a bit, have a beer and make some music?

WTF are you on about , I just reported a bug that either could be in renoise or ops 7
What's your problem anyway

[davidv@plogue]

I reported a similar bug a few months ago when rendering to selection , and that was indeed fixed from your part
https://www.plogue.com/plgfrms/viewtopi ... =46&t=9165
This issue only occurs with plogue ops 7

That was a much different issue and actually a bug.
And blocked someone else.
Might as well unregister from this site completely at this point

[gentleclockdivider]

Why are you so offended , I really don't get it ?
Please have a look at renoise before assumming is a freehaven for people who use pirated software .
https://www.renoise.com/
I love your plugins and bought ops7 from day one , I am seriously confused about all the hassle about this imho non issue .
If you don't want to fix it ( if it's ops7 related ) , no problem ..but please don't confuse piratism with deep sampling .
The advantages of sampling in a tracker like renoise are the effect commands which can only be used on samples
Why unregister from this site at all , it's great to have feedback from a developer
What do you mean by ' and blocked by someone else '

[davidv@plogue]

Why are you so offended , I really don't get it ?
Please have a look at renoise before assumming is a freehaven for people who use pirated software .
https://www.renoise.com/
I love your plugins and bought ops7 from day one , I am seriously confused about all the hassle about this imho non issue .
If you don't want to fix it ( if it's ops7 related ) , no problem ..but please don't confuse piratism with deep sampling .
The advantages of sampling in a tracker like renoise are the effect commands which can only be used on samples
Why unregister from this site at all , it's great to have feedback from a developer
What do you mean by ' and blocked by someone else '

I didn't mean Renoise in itself is a piracy tool, just the instrument sampler. I guess reading back at the post It was not clear. We were made aware of quite a few people using similar tools to bypass trial versions. So they don't sit well with me at all, take it as you will. BTW I made my own sampler engine that is cumulatively used is used by hundreds of thousands (maybe millions of people), its not like I don't know what sampling and sample libraries are.

The other stuff was not directed at you.

[gentleclockdivider]

o.k now I get it , you think some people might actually download renoise and use this feature instead of buying (your ) plugins ?
That even didn't cross my mind , I see you have deleted the topic on your forum ( I have no problem with that )
Let's forget about it and move on
Ops 7 still rocks !