Distressor and Fatso - is there a sw like this?

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Jonny X wrote:The vinyl one shouldn't actually be tricky. I've seen services where they will transfer CD audio to Vinyl for something like £15. Its done by cutting the vinyl without any pressing, so its cheaper and better than a dubplate. Sadly I don't know where this sevrice can be found now, if anybody knows then spread the word, cause I would love to use it myself!
I looked into a Vestax Vinyl cutter when they announced them many years back and one big downside was they didn't produced any frequencies below something like 60Hz. They were basically crap a cutting a club records etc but usefull for scratching records as you generally eq the bottom out anyway. Oh and the 10k price tag was a tad offputting too :hihi:

Check what frequency needs to be included in the test signal and make sure any service like this is capable of doing what you want/need.

As for finding a supplier to do it.....Try the DJ mags classifieds or turntablist sites on the net. wxw.mp3vinyl.com used to do such a service but seems to have gone. Probably stuff like finalscratch & cd decks might have made times hard for them and thats why there harder to find. I'll keep looking and let you know if I find any.

Regarding the original thread - I doubt you'll truely emulate the sound of the Distressor or Fatso with anything, be it software or hardware. Software wise I'd try a chain of effects with maybe some eq's, some convolution and some compressors. A few impulses of a real distressor and maybe use a good quality comp after it to regain a bit of 'movement'. A tweak here and there with some eq and you may get something you like - It'll probably sound fuk all like a Distressor but you never know, it might sound good.

Just MHO.
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i have no problem with hardware, lawnmower ;) just with elitists ;)

I myself plan on buying a high quality preamp one of these days :D

but as far as effects, give me a break.

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software has, and/or will emulate EVERYTHING hardware has done. the cpu power is available now.

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Sadly the skills to emulate things properly is still lacking for the most part (excluding the point about whether emulation itself is something that needs to be done to begin with...)

And how come it's always "elitists" if people with experience with both sides of the fence prefer one thing to another? :)

About the oldest, silliest and generally most annoying single thing in these discussions is the situation where the "software side of things" is so full of assumptions, presumptions, opinions without facts and experience trying to turn the whole discussion around, no matter what the original topic is... almost as annoying as casual readers jumping in with their "helpful" commentary about 'it's about the music in the end', 'the end listener won't care what you used', etc. as if it was too hard to grasp the context of the discussion... :D

And yeah, I'm stressed to the max because of deadlines hanging over my head, hence not the most subtle and gentle approach :P

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Jaeson Merrill wrote:software has, and/or will emulate EVERYTHING hardware has done. the cpu power is available now.
It's not about cpu power alone, it's about experience and the hardware manufacturers have a 60 year head start when it comes to good sounding gear. Of course emulation is something different than innovation which is why most seem to try to emulate things instead of creating new (notable exception being voxengo which is great!).

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i dont know, im sorry if i have been a jerk and/or idiot.. but its exactly what im trying to say.

hardware sounds one way,

software sounds another

theres alot of overlap of good stuff either can do..

but from what i have experienced and heard, mixing desks, compressors, etc etc..

its just DIFFERENT.. not better.

and its irritating.

but bmaniac, you might be on the right track with what you just said.

im at work and im in a horrible mood...

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This thread is one of the most interesting that I have come accross kvr in quite a long time.

Soulata, as always, your music moves me.

000, Nice Track dude. :D

As for the rest of you who gave your input, I'm about to spend some money on additional outboard gear. I may be leaning on getting a UAD-1 after all thanks to you peeps.

Viva La KVR!

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Jaeson Merrill wrote:its just DIFFERENT.. not better.
Well, it is and different and better. It MUCH better speaking of sound. There's NO digital plugin EQ today that sounds as good as good analog (and there are plenty of hardware colours to choose from). YEa, some are good or even great for mastering job but that's it. Musicians don't need those. There are NO those nice breathing, airy compressors in p0lug-in world, period. Whatever some folks say. But there's always something different like limiters (digital are better for extreme) or interesting truly inovative products - they still sound like crap, tho... And we're used to "analog sound"- tape smearing, real tube distortion and modulation, those great choruses and distortion boxes. But I have to admit - L-2 does its nasty job and more and more younger boyz and girlz choose "clear", squashed and nasty over smoothened and dynamic any time...

But the main thing is nobody puts enough energy in developement and experementation to emulate. On top of that they simply do not have the experience to make, say, a reverb sounding like great Lexicon unit - those guys are real professionals, not just programmers with some knowledge of physics. It is also too expensive (probably seen by developers to be not profitable at all), long. I tell you as a marketing specialist - it is far easier to put some bullshit in your ppl minds then to deliver a real quality product only 10 of you will be able to buy.

So no, it won't be here yet. Some day, probably, but for now it is all hype and nothing more. Keep it real, technology didn't let us to get where pros were but only to get a taste and mix some DJ crap on a budget. The rule of thumb is - want a great sound expect to spend a lot of cash. No other way around.

I'm also angry with that as I have to save a year or moe for a piece of good gear but that's the reality and guess what, it pays back after all.

Some plugs here and there are cool too, tho ;)

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when will people learn that music doenst sound good with expensive gear but with experience? :x if you know how to make something sound you can do this with already the cheapest gear / plugins - fact.

just my 2 cents :D
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omo wrote:
Jaeson Merrill wrote:its just DIFFERENT.. not better.
And we're used to "analog sound"- tape smearing, real tube distortion and modulation, those great choruses and distortion boxes.
sounds to me like you just proved my point.

some non linear distortion and phase deficiencies, and theres YOUR sound.. what YOURE used to.

theres plenty of plugins and things of that nature that can smear things just fine. you dont need to buy thousands of dollars of plugins to acheive a nice sound.

and dont get me wrong, i love the wall, zepplin, the beatles and the like.

i just dont buy these claims; i have seen gear in action and honestly not been that impressed.

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Jaeson Merrill wrote:hardware sounds one way,

software sounds another
Ah yes...and sometimes *both* can end up sounding like plop. :hihi:
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Experience is needed, indeed. But Experience doesn't come without comparing things personally.

Now, it's true thre's a lot of plugs trying to do that nonlinear stuff or whatever, but my point was they don't do it as good, not even close. Give me an example of a high-end recording made with plugs, can you? Plugs are here for years, favourable UAD-1 too, Waves (which are still holding on) and yet there's no high-end records done exclusively with them. In fact, I know how it ALWAYS goes when ppl make a record with nothing but plugs - it gets mailed to a mastering engineer for making it "more analog" :) This all applies to live music where ppl play instruments and record them by miking, but I'm sure it's similar with electronic music (which I'm not very familiar with).

Interestingly enough, I've seen people (including myself) who can do a very good recording or a mix using the real thing and somehow they can't get that sound (or anything comparable, be it different but good) with plugs. Oh, don't tell me that one has to aproach it in a different way with plugs - compressor has to compress, eq to eq and so on. If they don't do it as good and there's a better competitor then the worse one to be left aside. There's no word "budget" in a real world, at least the line is not where it is for most of us, so hw can we really compare? This is pointless anyway, I won't prove nothing, your sound proves it until you atchieve a high-end result on ordinary KVR-ian budget. Post it if you have one, I'll be trully glad to hear.

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Sonicfire Shame on you, and right after doing what you just was mentioned (by me) ;)

Just to make the point clearer, (once again) we're discussing certain technical aspects of production, not about how to make good music or how to make music sound good - just about a particular device's capabilities and whether something similar can be done with softare :)

Juanito If you're referring to the same track I posted and 000 used for demonstration as well, thanks :]

Just listened to those 000 examples once again, and now I'm really curious about Intubator... what is it, where is it, etc. :D

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bduffy wrote:What the hell is an "Intubator"???
(posted 4 days ago)

Yeah! Me too. :x

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I have a guess about it... it's one of 000's new plugins he's been working on.

:)

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