James Blunt

[John Vulich]

Who the f**k is James Blunt?

[robenestobenz]

Hmmmm.. depends, Bodies by Sex Pistols or Bodies by Sex Pistols???

Just a guess.

[Amberience]

There have been many many bodies.... sigh....

I'll get my girls pants on and be right round.

[munchkin]

There have been many many bodies.... sigh....

I'll get my girls pants on and be right round.

The Revolution TM has begun...

[robenestobenz]

Whom would your type of girl want to f$ck? Tommy Lee?

Well, she'd be the type that doesn't list celebrities foremost among the people she'd like to f**k.

[ross g]

Who the f**k is James Blunt?

he's on SNL at the moment...it ain't registering with me, but he's now singing "i'm so hollow, i'm so hollow", i had to actually pay attention to decipher it...


there you go,
rg

[Failed Muso]

rhyming slang

Brilliant

[Failed Muso]

You are Sith and I am Jedi!"

The world needs more Jedi analogies....

[Failed Muso]

I believe the time is ripe for the punk ethic of confrontation. Sometimes people need a message hammered home before it sinks in. Especially if they're being brainwashed by corporate greed. The punks attacked the complacent corporate hippies who creamed in the cash while the rest of Britain sunk under piles of rubbish.

Well, from what I remember of the "Punk" movement in the UK (and before you ask, yes, I was there ), by 1976/7 it was all commercialised. Real punk, per se, was being made a few years earlier. Then McLaren (CNUT) got a whiff, put the Sex Pistols (Hugely over-rated) together and sat back like the corporate arseholes you describe and watched the cash roll in. Every major label actively sought out punk bands to bolster their flagging artist rosters.

Yes, Punk was a great movement, but as soon as it got "found out", everyone jumped on the wagon and it was lost to the money makers.

I agree, music needs a kick up the arse every now and again. Maybe it's because it was the era I grew up in, but the 70's and 80's spawned more musical "revolutions" IMHO than any other and we need to get back to that. I occasionally see glimmers of hope, but maybe a catastrophic kick in the pants is on the cards

This is a war whether people like it or not. The big corporations are trying to control all media outlets. They are fashioning their weapons in the form of Blunt and co. He's no innocent party in this. Creativity chokes on Blunts cock while he puffs on a cigar in the back of a limosine. Every cent he earns has been confiscated from the pockets of musicians who actually have something new to offer.

I wouldn't go as far to say that Mr Blunt himself is involved in the ripping off and watering down of music for the masses, but he is certainly marketed in that way, because the record companies know that apart from the teen girl market, the middle aged desperate housewife generation is extremely lucrative. 20 years ago, he would probably have never been discovered, let alone sought out.

There is no room for neutrality anymore. The scales have tipped too far towards corporate greed and creative bankruptcy. We need a manifesto that destroys that culture like never before. England is dreaming and it's time to wake up!

Yes, a revolution is required, but in what fashion, I'm not sure. I think we have one rising. The internet (and the whole computer generation) is the way forward. We now have the ability to produce, distribute, market and sell our wares without the need for a record company. 20 years ago, we needed them, now they need us. The power balance has shifted and we have the control. They try to wrest it from us and place controls upon us (Sony Rootkit, anyone ?) and try to criminalise anything that threatens their hold on the industry. Personally, I think they are a dying giant in it's death throes. It won't be long before we, as artists and leaders of our own destiny's, prevail

[Voidoid Surrealist]

And as far as "being forced to listen" to music, we all have free will and we all choose to exercise that right.

OK, here's a hypothetical for you...
What about people who work somewhere that plays awful commercial radio and they don't have the option of wearing headphones?

0H NOES!!!11 He's playing the "J" card.

I've had so many people do that to me I've grown to pretty much ignore it now. Personally I feel it gets used too much as a last defense by fans against criticism. Sometimes it's almost as dumb as the defense "Oh yeah? Well you're just a hater." Never liked that phrase. Never really got that phrase. What's so bad about having an adverse emotional response to something? I'm not talking about something like insulting the fans of the music, but I seriously don't see anything wrong with saying something like "Man, I absolutely can't stand that band! Every time I hear them play that song, they annoy the hell out of me!" Has the world become so politically correct that people are only expected to express their feelings about something if they are positive about it and to keep all other opinions to themselves?

BTW, that wasn't directed at anyone here, just a subject that gets my goat.

hey voidoid, you any the wiser as to who theyre talkin about yet?
do i need to listen to radio/watch tv to know why this guy promotes such debate?
im guessing from munchkins above post hes a hippy

Still not a clue. I think he was on Saturday Night Live last night, I should've tuned in and found out what all the fuss is about.

Yes, Punk was a great movement, but as soon as it got "found out", everyone jumped on the wagon and it was lost to the money makers.

by 1976/7 it was all commercialised.

I'd totally disagree about that. You make it sound like all punk post-77 was commercialized fodder. Would you consider the Dead Kennedys to be just an attempt at cashing in? Do you think Conflict were only pretending to hold their views to sell a few records, or do you think they really thought they could help change things a little? Were the Subhumans just another corporate band "lost to the money makers", as you put it?

The revolutionary aspect of punk did not end in 1977.

[Bunnyboy]

Yes, Punk was a great movement, but as soon as it got "found out", everyone jumped on the wagon and it was lost to the money makers.

by 1976/7 it was all commercialised.

hmmm

Dischord Records / Fugazi
Crass
Touch & Go records
Quarterstick records
Household Name records
Flat Earth Records
Big Black/Rapeman/Shellac/Albini
Subjugation Records

Yup, I can see the "spirit of punk" alive and well . TBH, I have always thought that musically the sex pistols were a nothing group, but since I was in the womb when "Anarchy in the UK" came out, I only have other people to go on as to how much of an impact they were (which was massive, by all accounts)

The punk "sound" (you know what i mean) was quickly commercialised as is every sound. The punk ethic - which has been kicking around for ever, is still alive and well.

As for James Blunt, well why waste your breath and typing skills on a nobody like him?? I'm gonna go off and dance about architecture in a few minutes

[Voidoid Surrealist]

The punk "sound" (you know what i mean) was quickly commercialised as is every sound. The punk ethic - which has been kicking around for ever, is still alive and well.

I'd only add that (and this may even be what you implied) the "Punk sound" (and even more so, the fashions) may have been adopted by some of the corporate bands, but that didn't mean that all the honest bands kept the punk ethic but moved on to other musical styles.There's plenty of great "traditional sounding" punk that came out after the "punk explosion" that seems to get forgotten, possibly because of the public's musical interests moving on after the initial shock of the first big wave of 70's punk music.

[Bunnyboy]

The punk "sound" (you know what i mean) was quickly commercialised as is every sound. The punk ethic - which has been kicking around for ever, is still alive and well.

I'd only add that (and this may even be what you implied) the "Punk sound" (and even more so, the fashions) may have been adopted by some of the corporate bands, but that didn't mean that all the honest bands kept the punk ethic but moved on to other musical styles.There's plenty of great "traditional sounding" punk that came out after the "punk explosion" that seems to get forgotten, possibly because of the public's musical interests moving on after the initial shock of the first big wave of 70's punk music.

Totally, I just didnt want the thread to take off into a good charlotte/rancid/busted flame.
But yeah, the post-'77 "trad" punk was cool as well. And if we get onto the "post"-punk styles of music, well, what can i say?? My first love really

[vurt]

You are Sith and I am Jedi!"

The world needs more Jedi analogies....

mmmmmm analogies of jedi,more we need yes. mmmm.

[munchkin]

Punk wasn't just about the music or the design or the politics or the attitude. It was a poisoned dagger into the heart of the music establishment at the time.

Anyone who lived in 76/77 will remember how dire popular music had become. Supergroups with huge articulated lorries circumnavigating the globe. Cape wearing monstrosities singing of wizards and fair maidens while the world sunk into recession and unemployment soared.

Punk was a UK movement with roots in the US that burst the bloated rock fantasy. The Sex Pistols burnt a trail that others followed. I can't explain how incredibly different they sounded and appeared to everything else at the time. They took the genderbending freakiness of Bowie and mixed it with street politics. It was genius! If only young people today had even half the wit to achieve anything like it.

Can you imagine any US musicians today releasing a song attacking the US national anthem and everything the establishment stands for and then holding an alternative celebration mocking the establishment? Never in a millions years. They'd be too scared.

The Sex Pistols did this and more.

I'm not talking about the preachy holier than thou ethics promoted by Crass etc. I'm talking about the subversive mix of sex and politics of the Sex Pistols that changed the UK forever.

Without Bowie there would be no punk. Without punk there would be no Joy Division, The Smiths etc. Subversion is what makes pop great. Blunt and co perpetuate the status quo.