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stephenpaulharper · Post by **stephenpaulharper** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 1:06 am

I could swear that at some point ESC was touting ST2 conversions in the new 3.0 version. Now I see no mention of that on the site. Hmmm. Am I nuts?

Ben H · Post by **Ben H** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 3:39 am

No it was listed.

Maybe have to ask what happened there. This was also one of the main conversions that I was interested in.

beltrom · Post by **beltrom** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 7:28 am

I'm not saying IK or SR had anything to do with it, so lets not start a rumour that's false, it might for instance have been technical reasons. But if they did I'm not sure it was a good business decision keeping ST2-sounds as a totally closed format. I might not be typical, but that together with the dongle would be enough to keep me from doing any more business with IK/SR, I've been holding off a bit waiting for those things to clear or me to get ok with it. But it feels like this is the last nail in the coffin. Too bad. I like eSoundz and SR, both their service and the overall quality of the products they're involved with and I'm normally a very loyal customer to companies I've worked up a relationship with. But I don't like to feel locked up - and there's plenty of other suppliers and formats.

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:14 am

All I have to say on the subject of ESC and ST2 is 1, yes please as destination and 2, as a source, it gets complicated, according to what I think I know.

If I recall correctly, I did once read Garth of Chickensys saying that translation from Sampletank was frowned on by IK because the value of Sampletank is intwined with the samples such that they percieve their product as the samples as much as the engine, and don't want there to be ready accessibility to the samples lest they get pirated.

Take none of the above as gospel, it is an interpretation of a memory of a forum post from Northern Sounds. I must emphasize that caveat.

However, it is interesting that Wlodzimierz has recently posted in the SR forum about the question of conversion from Sampletank. http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=120343 Translator and Samplit from CDXtract (and promised in CDXtract 5) allow for conversion into ST2. ESC currently allows bidirectional conversion with ST1.

My take? We shall see. I'll take simple sf2 and WusikSND convertability to ST2 and be happy. But Kontakt/ST2 interoperability would be huge and more than welcome.

mmdejonge · Post by **mmdejonge** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:13 pm

It seems

Bassballjg wrote: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=120343

has been moderated

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:25 pm

mmdejonge wrote:It seems
Bassballjg wrote: http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=120343
has been moderated

Fascinating.

mmdejonge · Post by **mmdejonge** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 9:47 pm

I'm just curious why the post has been deleted and what was in it. ESC is on my wishlist and ST2 export would be great.

As much as I loved ST2 and SS2 when they first got out, I don't use them as much as I thought I'd do - the clumsy preset browser being one of the main reasons.

Still it would be nice to be able to export the most useful samples to other formats...

chickeneps · Post by **chickeneps** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 10:26 pm

As for converting out of a certain format (like ST2), perhaps the adage that says "just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should do it" is applicable.

ST is different in that most of the sounds you get for it are not user-made but made by the factory or via other means. Which means that most of the intent of creating ST sounds is to directly support ST itself.

We just found it respectful to honor IK and SR in that way, to keep ST sounds in the ST arena which would promote value to ST itself, since that was a major intent.

It's sort of like taking Cassette Tape, Inc., and lets say they put out a bunch of hit songs, and they published them only on cassette instead of vinyl or CD so it would promote the sales of cassette tapes.

It's an arguable point, though, it can be looked on from a different angle and I'd say there's valid points. But personally Chicken Systems decided on that course of action, for now at least.

androidlove · Post by **androidlove** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:22 am

chickenman i don't know why yer in this thread (hijack?) but as far as i can remember the bugs are...some kontact to sf2 either fails or crashes the prog and, my hard drive doesn't show up so i have to put files on the desktop

chickeneps · Post by **chickeneps** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:34 am

androidlove wrote:some kontact to sf2 either fails or crashes the prog and, my hard drive doesn't show up so i have to put files on the desktop

Feel free to send any problem source files to www.chickensys.com/translator/bugreports - we'll check them out.

Are you saying that your "hard drive" meaning like your F: drive or something, doesn't show up in Translator? That's highly unusual, you certainly don't mean that? We simply just get the list from Windows OS.

Bassballjg · Post by **Bassballjg** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 12:53 am

androidlove wrote:chickenman i don't know why yer in this thread (hijack?) but as far as i can remember the bugs are...some kontact to sf2 either fails or crashes the prog and, my hard drive doesn't show up so i have to put files on the desktop

I brought up Translator in my post, mentioning a vague recollection of Garth having stated a reason for not having SampleTank as a conversion source, and a point of curiosity in this thread has been about ST2 support in ESC 3. His post only spoke to my point and question, for which I am grateful to have that clarification.

This thread is about the future of ESC. Let us please not open another front in the Translator wars. We deserve to have at least one thread about sample conversion without a lot of arguments about people's problems with Translator.

abi · Post by **abi** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:32 am

as this is a free forum where anyone can say anything i say this: the crashes of the emulator x file convertor i experience always happen in the conversion stage and not when selecting samples. plus, i think that extreme sample convertor is much more stable than translator. a combination of esc and awave does anything you want i think. i just don´t like translator, fight chicken disease now!

stephenpaulharper · Post by **stephenpaulharper** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:45 pm

If I had to guess, I'd think that the new ESC will at least import into ST1 (as the older versions do). This brings up the question - are ST1 sounds compatible with ST2.1? I should think so, but that's probably a question for IK. Anybody know for sure? As long as I can import files into ST2.1, well, then export be damned. Can't really think of that many ST samples so unique that I'd really wanna export anyway.

What would really be cool would be if ESC can convert mulisample .wav files into ST format. ST has hard time with this from my experience, and it's a real hassle to rename files for a clean conversion, which is what IK suggests that you do.

Thoughts?

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:00 pm

Hay chick peepz

i took you advice & downloaded the latest demo to check if it would convert my emuX files

no joy at all

Subz

chickeneps · Post by **chickeneps** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:49 pm

algodon wrote:This brings up the question - are ST1 sounds compatible with ST2.1? I should think so, but that's probably a question for IK. Anybody know for sure? As long as I can import files into ST2.1, well, then export be damned.

ST 2 has some features in which it's MUCH easier to fit a multisample file, like a S-5000 program or SoundFont, into it. Most of it has to do with the ST1 requirement that all sounds on one key have the same tuning offsets, which often is the case.

That's why it's better to convert into ST2, which is what Translator does, and does very well.

algodon wrote:What would really be cool would be if ESC can convert multisample .wav files into ST format.

Thoughts?

Are you talking about single .wav files that have multiple channels (like 6)?

Extreme Sample Converter?