KVR Audio

PTV · Post by **PTV** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:04 pm

...and there is also Coldcutter > http://www.brightonart.co.uk/coldcutter.shtml
(although i couldn't get it to work in eXT and AudioMulch

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:07 pm

meister eder wrote:Errr.... Pluggo is a set of VST plugins. Never has been anything else (apart from now being a set of AU plugins, too).

I know only too well. If only those plugins *weren't* pluggo runtime exclusives..

Right now the list is somewhat confined to VST/free/shareware and I feel like that's a good thing. well actually everything, even commercial, is linked apart from reaktor and pluggo.

Pluggo runtime is such a resource hog it's not even funny. As an old max/msp user I felt it's just too linked to that platform as well, no matter how much VST support there is. I think it's pretty similar to a locked version of reaktor really (which is also VST capable).

Please list your pluggo favourites here. No one's stopping you. It'll be a useful addon.

el davo · Post by **el davo** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 8:34 pm

comprehensive! thanks for this. I for one welcome any plug that can bring some chaos to my order.

.jon · Post by **.jon** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 9:55 pm

As far as new technique, how about we just use this opportunity with all these tools to create (again) something entirely new. First there was music, then the gear, then there was abused or malfucntioning gear, then the music inspired by that and finally the digital emulation of the abused gear music.

that pretty much sums it up. What was philosophical about glitch has been said by those who said it, now we merely share the same esthetics and these new possibilities to take their heritage our way. And there is still the music-thing involved in all this - after all conceptual art is nothing without the art part.

I discovered today (went on a serious download spree

) that Tweakbench has some interesting plugins.

For me all these fx are quite boring on their own, and require real-time human intervention to show their true nature, and absolutely deserve to be chained, rerouted and misused. In this duty they offer fresh chaos, and help me away from sterile, systematic VST sound.

What I'm aiming is a system that lets me play pre-arranged patterns, feed them into processing chains to evolve or degrade them into blissful noise, and then grab, split and tame this chaotic stream and re-arrange it into rythmic patterns and new melodies. Now I have 10+ loopers, samplers and slicers to test if they can handle the re-arranging part.

What I miss more and more are low-level mathematic components... I'm afraid I'm heading towards SE, PD or something similar that steals all my time and energy.

(so DWb if you wish to share your efforts it's ok

)

intel · Post by **intel** » Mon Jan 23, 2006 11:46 pm

no one mentioned Buffered
http://www.kvraudio.com/get/1386.html

hands down, one of the best FSU plugs around for glitching, stuttering, distorting, and plain Fing S U

fabi · Post by **fabi** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:10 am

pakana wrote:
As far as new technique, how about we just use this opportunity with all these tools to create (again) something entirely new. First there was music, then the gear, then there was abused or malfucntioning gear, then the music inspired by that and finally the digital emulation of the abused gear music.
that pretty much sums it up. What was philosophical about glitch has been said by those who said it, now we merely share the same esthetics and these new possibilities to take their heritage our way. And there is still the music-thing involved in all this - after all conceptual art is nothing without the art part.

I discovered today (went on a serious download spree ) that Tweakbench has some interesting plugins.

For me all these fx are quite boring on their own, and require real-time human intervention to show their true nature, and absolutely deserve to be chained, rerouted and misused. In this duty they offer fresh chaos, and help me away from sterile, systematic VST sound.

What I'm aiming is a system that lets me play pre-arranged patterns, feed them into processing chains to evolve or degrade them into blissful noise, and then grab, split and tame this chaotic stream and re-arrange it into rythmic patterns and new melodies. Now I have 10+ loopers, samplers and slicers to test if they can handle the re-arranging part.

What I miss more and more are low-level mathematic components... I'm afraid I'm heading towards SE, PD or something similar that steals all my time and energy.

(so DWb if you wish to share your efforts it's ok )

if you haven't, yet, make sure to give liveslice a try - it can capture live audio, you can slice it, arrange it, assign the arrangements to midi keys... all on the fly, no unnecessary bouncing. i really love it.

waiting man · Post by **waiting man** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:25 am

pakana wrote:I discovered today (went on a serious download spree ) that Tweakbench has some interesting plugins.

damn

how to forget 'em?
Minerva is "el bastardissimo" vst-i for glitchy drums.

meister eder · Post by **meister eder** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 12:33 am

Kingston wrote:
meister eder wrote:Errr.... Pluggo is a set of VST plugins. Never has been anything else (apart from now being a set of AU plugins, too).
I know only too well. If only those plugins *weren't* pluggo runtime exclusives..

The runtime comes only into action when you use Pluggo's ability to send modulation and audio signals from one plugin to another behind the back of your host. If you are using the sole VSTs, without interconnecting anything, then they work like any other VST out there.

Kingston wrote:Pluggo runtime is such a resource hog it's not even funny. As an old max/msp user I felt it's just too linked to that platform as well, no matter how much VST support there is.

Very lite on the CPU here on my computer. They never crash, work like a charm. But maybe that's because I don't make use of the (certainly very powerful) interconnection scheme that communicates over Pluggo runtime. Anyway, even without the interconnection they are amazing glitch tools - and more than that. Anyone who's seriously into glitch wouldn't want to miss them.

Kingston wrote:I think it's pretty similar to a locked version of reaktor really (which is also VST capable).

Well, hate to repeat myself, but the original Pluggos as they come out of the package work like pure VST plugins. No shell or anything similar to Reaktor has to be started.

Kingston wrote:Please list your pluggo favourites here. No one's stopping you. It'll be a useful addon.

No one's stopping me? Hey, I am not complaining! You can include in your list whatever you want.

Just want to get the facts right.
(which is: Pluggos are VSTs and behave like VSTs

)

Ok then, here's a list of the top 10 classic glitch plugins from the Pluggo collection:

Fragulator
Granular-to-Go
Mangle Filter
Pendulum
Rye
Shuffler
Slice-n-Dice
Speed Shifter
Stutterer
Wheat

Of course many of the other Pluggos are able to produce quite glitchy sounds as well, thanks to the modulation possibilities - but those ten are the most common and obvious ones. Oh, I guess I forgot PlugLoop ... that makes it the top eleven then.

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 6:01 am

Updated the list,

thanks pakana, intel and meister eder.

pluggo has a bit too much good to be ignored in a list like this

"No [pluggo] shell or anything similar to Reaktor has to be started." Yeah, at least pluggo runtime does that automatically. It still runs the plugins in a kind of shell that emulates the max/msp environment. Good to know the plugins work as intended despite that.

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Tue Jan 24, 2006 2:32 pm

Kingston wrote:
LIMITAPROACHINGINFINITY wrote:I see what your saying.. And i think you can hear the difference.
yeah, but as you might read further into the conversation, no one can say wether that's a good or a bad thing. Or what the better sound might be.

I'm not sure that it's a different sound so much as a different approach to making music and a different way of relating to your equipment which then gives rise to you making different music. On a very blunt level, people can do fantastic things with glitch plugins in terms of subtlety or control that would be unthinkable with more old school methods, whereas actually physically F'ingSU is more likely to lead to totally unexpected sounds and happy accidents.

Whatever floats your boat, really. (This seems to be turning into one of those threads where everyone ends up agreeing rather than splitting into two polarised camps and calling each other names. Huzzah!)

2NDMOUSE · Post by **2NDMOUSE** » Wed Jan 25, 2006 4:36 am

Thanks a lot for starting this thread. I cant really think of anything to add to whats already been said and linked to. Ive downloaded a lot along the way , and im excited.

illphabetik · Post by **illphabetik** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:45 pm

found the freezer 2 by diverse
http://www.gogma.com/diverse

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 8:53 pm

I was suggested by Ben to add this collection to the KVRpedia database. I've no clue how to do that so if there's anyone there well versed with wiki, go ahead and add the compiled list from my initial post in there.

Something like "The definitive Glitch VST plugin collection v0.5"

2NDMOUSE · Post by **2NDMOUSE** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 8:28 pm

Someone please sticky this cos I had a hard job tryin to find it again.

Thanks !!

dover666 · Post by **dover666** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 2:31 am

EZ-WARP - new dover FSU

The glitch plugins thread.