KVR Audio

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:13 pm

errr - am i missing something

the borg have a huge area of bug's listed, how to reproduce them and how to avoid them

on the official forum(now all the crack users have gone) they ask for details about most problems in order to record them as above

Most of the bugs i see on the foruma re not bugs at all - but are err....... features. By that i mean they are not flaws in the porgram but flaws in it's design

compare this with cakewalk who have nothing at all about what bugs are present anywhere
in fact compare this with any of the big developers i.e. magix, emagic etc

Don't get me wrong steinberg are a big lumbering beast that frequently misses the point but they are not so much worse than others

tahome · Post by **tahome** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:22 pm

Kingston wrote:Nowadays, it's impossible to get any response from the Borg whatsoever regarding serious bugs (or for much else for that matter). They'll simply ignore everything.

Right, but that's their slogan: "insistence is futile".

--th

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:32 pm

Steinborg. That's funny.

tahome · Post by **tahome** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:34 pm

For German people "Steinzeit" is also a good one ("stone age").
--th

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue May 16, 2006 2:51 pm

ericj23 wrote:errr - am i missing something

the borg have a huge area of bug's listed, how to reproduce them and how to avoid them

on the official forum(now all the crack users have gone) they ask for details about most problems in order to record them as above

Again, like with anything they do, the intentions are good. The bug database was last updated back before their forum update, *quite* the while back, and it's a mess, and nothing recent seems to get added.

At least they popped in to say there may be a minor update sometime after august/september. Right now they're too busy making SX4, apparently. I mean, who cares if there's only a *few* showstoppers, right? Although I've been leaked "into the know" by a tester fully assimilated by The Borg, and I full well know what's up ahead (awesomation), I'd still rather have a perfect SX3 instead. And I ain't alone in this.

It seems to me their engineering is thoroughly german: "now shut up, we know what's best for you".

What's that fitting saying again, the one about horrible deeds done with best "best intentions"?

NoBrain2k · Post by **NoBrain2k** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:03 pm

yeah I'd prefer a perfect SX3 as well... perhaps with sidechain support and then that would be it... unless they want to add melodyne like features to audio editing.... THEN that would be it.

tahome · Post by **tahome** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:08 pm

Kingston wrote:It seems to me their engineering is thoroughly german: "now shut up, we know what's best for you".

Certainly better than the American way: "oh, yes, amazing, great, exciting" and then throw the report into the trash can...

--th

Kingston · Post by **Kingston** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:17 pm

NoBrain2k wrote:yeah I'd prefer a perfect SX3 as well... perhaps with sidechain support and then that would be it...

SX3 has near perfect sidechain support.

All it's missing is the tag that says SIDECHAIN HERE to those who have never used a hardware mixer, or who don't know what it really means.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:19 pm

Kingston, do you really think this is the most receptive forum for German racial...oh, never mind.

NoBrain2k · Post by **NoBrain2k** » Tue May 16, 2006 3:25 pm

Kingston wrote:
NoBrain2k wrote:yeah I'd prefer a perfect SX3 as well... perhaps with sidechain support and then that would be it...
SX3 has near perfect sidechain support.

All it's missing is the tag that says SIDECHAIN HERE to those who have never used a hardware mixer, or who don't know what it really means.

Ok well in that case SX3 needs a tag that says sidechain here. I've used a hardware mixer, and i know what it means... I've just never used a hardware compressor.

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Tue May 16, 2006 5:59 pm

lobiando wrote: The document is formatted professionally, and written in an extremely concise and business-like manner. It even READS like a typical Steinberg press release or ad-copy.
Moreover, this document, if forged, represents well over "half an hour's work". It was NOT dashed off in Starbucks over a latte, but would require a great deal of thought in order to produce a coherent, yet wholly spurious document. In fact, simply to write such a press release about a real product is a time-consuming matter, but to write a document where one has to first imagine the thing to be described - in plausible detail!!! - would be even MORE time-consuming than to write about something that really exists!

Exactly - the visual element is trivial - although it wouldn't be too difficult to fake the look of a scanned and marked document like this in photoshop, it would be much easier just to print out your fake, actually mark it, staple it, and scan it. Bam, totally authentic, done in 5 minutes instead of a half-hour, no special software knowledge needed really, just openoffice and some printer/scanner drivers. But it still doesn't change the fact that the writing is overall extremely good, and I think people who don't have any background in this kind of thing can't realize that - we're all used to reading professional documents, but most people cannot write one effectively. Yes, there are a few discrepancies such as using the term "bugfixes", but it is presented as a first draft anyway.

None of that excludes it from being fake, mind you. It just means that if it is a fake, it's a damn good one, something not based on a fanboy's dream-feature list.

uvacom · Post by **uvacom** » Tue May 16, 2006 6:08 pm

Kingston wrote:
NoBrain2k wrote:yeah I'd prefer a perfect SX3 as well... perhaps with sidechain support and then that would be it...
SX3 has near perfect sidechain support.

All it's missing is the tag that says SIDECHAIN HERE to those who have never used a hardware mixer, or who don't know what it really means.

Sidechaining has relatively little to do with the mixer, on the mixer's side all you really need is a direct out from a track or buss, and not necessarily even that. It's the insert architecture (the equivilent of which in hardware would really be a patch panel and signal processing array, all external to the mixer) that's lacking, there's no simple way to get an insert to accept signals from two different tracks, even if the plugin has a sidechain input. AFAIK one must pan the audio and sidechain input hard right and left (respectively), route them to a buss, and use a plugin that allows one of the stereo channels to be used as the audio signal and the other to be used as the sidechain. If there's a better way then that, it sure as hell isn't obvious, not that the convoluted method described is anything approaching obvious or intuitive.

Point being, even if you know what you're doing and how it's done, it's still poor design aesthetic on their part.

Jason Brian Merrill · Post by **Jason Brian Merrill** » Tue May 16, 2006 7:21 pm

tahome wrote:
Kingston wrote:It seems to me their engineering is thoroughly german: "now shut up, we know what's best for you".
Certainly better than the American way: "oh, yes, amazing, great, exciting" and then throw the report into the trash can...

--th

StrangeCat · Post by **StrangeCat** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:27 pm

give me a break that's so Fake!! great ideas but yea...some stuff in there isn't going to happen....

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Tue May 16, 2006 8:51 pm

I love it: this thread is like the opening scene of "The Party" (for those of you who've seen it), where you think he's dead, but he keeps coming back up for one more toot on his horn, then he's shot again.

inbeLievble! steinberg cubas sx4 !