Actually, we tried to minimize the quirky names a bit and make it more homogenous. But, yeah, we should have a sound list up before the end of the week.dgkenney wrote:Don't want you to take your eye off the ball cause you got a lot going on but as we await delivery, any sound lists hanging around? With 5000 loops and probably quirky names it may not say much but at least it will pass the time
Dan
what is the latest on RAW?
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
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- KVRist
- 96 posts since 3 Aug, 2004
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 3 Jul, 2005 from The Realm of Possibilities
Ok...that sound list got me... 
like I wasn't already up for it!
BTW, I'd like to thank all the people who have given me epointz...I'll go broke trying to pay you back!
I will have some really nice stuff though
like I wasn't already up for it!BTW, I'd like to thank all the people who have given me epointz...I'll go broke trying to pay you back!
I will have some really nice stuff though
Play what you feel and feel what you play.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Pretty big list eh? Can you imagine how much work this was????? Man! But, I am sitting here making demos with it (we're just getting started, those are just a few quick appetizers but there is so much in here). It is a lot of fun seeing what goes with what.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Some may go out today but there was a lot of preparation to be made so most will go out after the holiday, so Tuesday and Wednesday. There are a lot of orders for such a new product but we're getting it ready as fast as we can and thanks to everyone who has ordered so quickly.Bradster wrote:Is this still true?Squids wrote:RAW Rex Edition ships end of this week.
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 3 Jul, 2005 from The Realm of Possibilities
Resisting the Squids is futile.Squids wrote:There are a lot of orders for such a new product but we're getting it ready as fast as we can and thanks to everyone who has ordered so quickly.
Play what you feel and feel what you play.
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Mua ha ha hah ah!!!! U will be sliced and groovy!
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- KVRer
- 8 posts since 29 Sep, 2004
Squids, could you comment on the organization of the loop groups? For instance, do the loops in the sound list that are of the same category (Funk drums 1, Brush grooves, etc.) and same tempo contain variations of the same groove, or fills based on that groove, or are they all unrelated grooves? Are the grooves in each category played by same artist, with the same instrument, or is it a mix of players, instuments and processing?
Thanks,
Teg
Thanks,
Teg
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Ah, very good question. The folders are merely separaters so you don't have hundreds of files in one folder. Also, Stylus RMX import wants to see 61 or less files in a folder with a strict hierarchy. They look like they MIGHT be some kind of construction kit or song loop kit (verse groove, chorus groove, intro, outtro) but THEY ARE NOT! They are just beats or lines that would fit that folder's description. Sometimes the folder may one player and sometimes it could 10 different players. The important thing is that it wasn't MEANT to be one player or one song with variations, fills etc.
The RAW Universal Groove Kit is more about mixing and matching grooves together with the flexbilities of the formats such as REX2. With REX2 in particular you can import it into samplers like Kontakt or Reason's NNXT and play the individual slices to change the groove around or program fills or variations. There aren't a lot of fills and variations of each groove in the library though. That is what each Studio ProFile title would be mroe about: ONE GENRE or ARTIST and a focus on that with variations, fills, crash loops etc.
So, RAW is meant to be as diverse as possible. You can fashion your own variations though with grooves done with the same kit that may be at slightly different tempos or are in different style folders. It is something one can be creative with and make their own because there are so many possibilities. However, it is not one of those cookie cutter "here's your song" loop libraries. But, the way I look at it is that it is raw material to be creative with. That is why it was originally called RAW in house. I was thinking that we had all of these different loops from all over the place and I said "we have to do something with all of this great raw material". Because the combination of multi-genre material can yeild some very creative results. For example, we have an upcoming Latin style Studio ProFile. It will be GREAT for Latin music. But, it just so happens that a lot of percussion from those sessions would ALSO be useful for Jazz, Hip Hop, Rock, Country, Funk etc. So you have in RAW some GREAT Latin percussion like shakers, congas and exotic stuff from all over the world to layer over acoustic or electronic drum grooves...
Basically, the idea is that it is the raw materials to make your OWN construction kits out of. There's so much in there that it is a lot of fun just experimenting by seeing what happens when you combine one thing with another. You see, if it weren't for a "loop workstation" diverse mix like this product then one might NOT have 20 different genre titles to choose from to mix and match between styles like that. Similar concept to Sonik Synth 2 (but that's for synths and workstation elements). It is full of content out of the box but the real power of it is what you get out of it. What you FIND in it.
So, in that, for the most part it is meant to be very very diverse. Sometimes that is within the same folder and sometimes it isn't.
The RAW Universal Groove Kit is more about mixing and matching grooves together with the flexbilities of the formats such as REX2. With REX2 in particular you can import it into samplers like Kontakt or Reason's NNXT and play the individual slices to change the groove around or program fills or variations. There aren't a lot of fills and variations of each groove in the library though. That is what each Studio ProFile title would be mroe about: ONE GENRE or ARTIST and a focus on that with variations, fills, crash loops etc.
So, RAW is meant to be as diverse as possible. You can fashion your own variations though with grooves done with the same kit that may be at slightly different tempos or are in different style folders. It is something one can be creative with and make their own because there are so many possibilities. However, it is not one of those cookie cutter "here's your song" loop libraries. But, the way I look at it is that it is raw material to be creative with. That is why it was originally called RAW in house. I was thinking that we had all of these different loops from all over the place and I said "we have to do something with all of this great raw material". Because the combination of multi-genre material can yeild some very creative results. For example, we have an upcoming Latin style Studio ProFile. It will be GREAT for Latin music. But, it just so happens that a lot of percussion from those sessions would ALSO be useful for Jazz, Hip Hop, Rock, Country, Funk etc. So you have in RAW some GREAT Latin percussion like shakers, congas and exotic stuff from all over the world to layer over acoustic or electronic drum grooves...
Basically, the idea is that it is the raw materials to make your OWN construction kits out of. There's so much in there that it is a lot of fun just experimenting by seeing what happens when you combine one thing with another. You see, if it weren't for a "loop workstation" diverse mix like this product then one might NOT have 20 different genre titles to choose from to mix and match between styles like that. Similar concept to Sonik Synth 2 (but that's for synths and workstation elements). It is full of content out of the box but the real power of it is what you get out of it. What you FIND in it.
So, in that, for the most part it is meant to be very very diverse. Sometimes that is within the same folder and sometimes it isn't.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14477 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
Squid thanks for the above.....I saw it as a flaw when I read the sound list and when I got and was disappointed with SP SE, but now that you describe it as a design, I see that it is what it was meant to be, not what I wanted it to be.....for my own way of working, I would have prefered the other approach, but I know I will find use for so many of them (after all if I can't find use for at least some of the 5,000, either they are truly horrible, or I am in the wrong profession 
)...ok i will go and read up about the StudioProfile editions, I assume/hope these will have rex versions?
thanks
rsp
)...ok i will go and read up about the StudioProfile editions, I assume/hope these will have rex versions?thanks
rsp
sound sculptist
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 14477 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Planet Earth, Somewhere
ok, read up on it. what I would love, is exactly what you did with RAW..... for a limited time or whatever, offer for sale for each SP, a rex only version with the breakdown of instruments and variations. yeah i know it is a ton of work but .....
sorry, I live and breath stylus rmx.. it is a hungry animal and needs mucho loops
rsp
.....sorry, I live and breath stylus rmx
.. it is a hungry animal and needs mucho loops rsp
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- Sonic Reality Head Chef
- 8566 posts since 11 Mar, 2002 from Florida
Yeah, you can think of RAW kind of like a short cut to having a massive variety for spicing things up. So, the system of working can be say either you have your own sequenced track and you throw this and that percussion or drum groove into the mix from RAW -OR- you get a particular Studio ProFile title that is the genre or artist's style you want to work in. You build up a song and then you say "okay, now I think I would like some Latin Congas over this Steve Gadd groove" or you say "well, wait maybe some African Djembe or maybe BOTH!" and then a shaker, cowbell, tambourine, some electronic thing maybe, some fat bass line you found or perhaps just throw things up against it randomly! You have over 5,000 loops to grab from! Experiment and see.
The only other way to have had this much variety would have been to buy ALL of the Studio ProFile titles (or the equivalent variety in other loop libs). That's not as practical for everyone so we came up with RAW- the UNIVERSAL GROOVE KIT. A little of practically EVERYTHING in there. It is pretty darn cool, especially for how affordable it is. Between SR and Qup Arts content in there it pools from over $5,000 of current and future products (as well as a lot of stuff that has and never will be released anywhere else). It is a compelling deal and is meant to be a flagship loop collection for us. The one that if you get ANYTHING you get this one because you're bound to find stuff you really like in it.
I should say that there is little chance that ANYONE will like ALL of it. No way. Even I don't. Some of it is for other people's styles and things I would never use personally. (ie. I don't make Reggaeton music or Dirty South... but plenty of other people do!). That is the nature of a sort of workstation like this. But, the idea is that you get your money's worth out of it. Plus the flexibility of mixing and matching things (like for instance, I can mangle up some Dirty South grooves to do some cool electronic trip hop stuff that I would be into... slow it down, filter it, distort it maybe... raw material to experiment with).
When imported into samplers that give you access to the slices there are something like 50,000 or more "hits" to play as well wiht an INCREDIBLE amount of variety of snares, kicks etc. I mean THOUSANDS of different slices to play. Of course that is what REX is all about. We like to think that for the money this library is a "no brainer" for people. But, of course it will depend on what people think of it and word of mouth. We know what WE think of it having worked very hard on it for so long and really putting a lot of effort into make it diverse, fresh and interesting. I am certainly glad I have it now myself. If you need a shaker with feel it is just so EASY to pull up one from RAW (even if it is temporary and you replace it later with a real track or programmed one) it is so darn FAST that you can move on to another part and realize your mock up song faster. That is very important to me! It can take forever to build a track sometimes and to be able to hear it fresh and work on your arrangement sooner is key sometimes to be able to have a less biased perspective. The more you get used to something because your nose was in it too long the more you can get lost. Well that is the way it is sometimes for me. That is why I love jamming with a band because it is so immediate. So, working with the computer with these loops is almost like jamming with other players! A nice mix and a great tool to have IMO. Well, that is why we made it!!!!
The only other way to have had this much variety would have been to buy ALL of the Studio ProFile titles (or the equivalent variety in other loop libs). That's not as practical for everyone so we came up with RAW- the UNIVERSAL GROOVE KIT. A little of practically EVERYTHING in there. It is pretty darn cool, especially for how affordable it is. Between SR and Qup Arts content in there it pools from over $5,000 of current and future products (as well as a lot of stuff that has and never will be released anywhere else). It is a compelling deal and is meant to be a flagship loop collection for us. The one that if you get ANYTHING you get this one because you're bound to find stuff you really like in it.
I should say that there is little chance that ANYONE will like ALL of it. No way. Even I don't. Some of it is for other people's styles and things I would never use personally. (ie. I don't make Reggaeton music or Dirty South... but plenty of other people do!). That is the nature of a sort of workstation like this. But, the idea is that you get your money's worth out of it. Plus the flexibility of mixing and matching things (like for instance, I can mangle up some Dirty South grooves to do some cool electronic trip hop stuff that I would be into... slow it down, filter it, distort it maybe... raw material to experiment with).
When imported into samplers that give you access to the slices there are something like 50,000 or more "hits" to play as well wiht an INCREDIBLE amount of variety of snares, kicks etc. I mean THOUSANDS of different slices to play. Of course that is what REX is all about. We like to think that for the money this library is a "no brainer" for people. But, of course it will depend on what people think of it and word of mouth. We know what WE think of it having worked very hard on it for so long and really putting a lot of effort into make it diverse, fresh and interesting. I am certainly glad I have it now myself. If you need a shaker with feel it is just so EASY to pull up one from RAW (even if it is temporary and you replace it later with a real track or programmed one) it is so darn FAST that you can move on to another part and realize your mock up song faster. That is very important to me! It can take forever to build a track sometimes and to be able to hear it fresh and work on your arrangement sooner is key sometimes to be able to have a less biased perspective. The more you get used to something because your nose was in it too long the more you can get lost. Well that is the way it is sometimes for me. That is why I love jamming with a band because it is so immediate. So, working with the computer with these loops is almost like jamming with other players! A nice mix and a great tool to have IMO. Well, that is why we made it!!!!
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- KVRian
- 1302 posts since 9 Oct, 2003 from California
Squids wrote: I should say that there is little chance that ANYONE will like ALL of it.
I will.....I promise.
Just change my "Awaiting Stock" to "Shipped" on my esoundz member page and I swear I'll tell everybody I like all of it.
Dan
Those that can, do. Those that can't, argue about it on k-v-r
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- KVRist
- 135 posts since 15 Oct, 2002 from North Carolina
Just a reminder that today's the last day for this great offer(I've missed some good deals because I get busy with "life" and forget things like this....just bought mine yesterday since almost spaced out on this one!) Can't wait to get this puppy into Stylus RMX! JohnSquids wrote: Buy RAW REX EDITION before June 1st 2006 and you can get:
FREE upgrade to the advanced RAW Mananager/Converter software (if it comes out)
FREE upgrade to the FULL RAW with all three formats WHEN it comes out in June.
Super limited time on this. You basically have a week. But, we WILL have a demo and sound list up at the beginning of this week. Hmmmmmm.