FR theme: Mixer

[1barEnuff]

jens, render through faders, don't render through faders, is that to choose between rendering dry, without fx? and rendering with fx? if so thats a good feature, and would the volume level need to be adjusted, to compensate for the drop or rise in signal? automatically,

cheers, john

[jens]

jens, render through faders, don't render through faders, is that to choose between rendering dry, without fx? and rendering with fx? if so thats a good feature, and would the volume level need to be adjusted, to compensate for the drop or rise in signal? automatically,

with 'through fader' I really just mean the level-fader. I think 'go through inserts' and 'go through sends' should be additional options.

But yes, you are right about the level loss - the situation I had was that I had to render one a bass-guitar part (due to a bug in XT2). I wanted to replace the original part with the rendered one so I used the 'render to new track'-function. I had to:

1. make a note for the tracks' level fader

2. pull this fader up

3. a) make a note for the track's send level(s)

- pull this level down

or

b) go to the mixer to disable the send(s)

4. make a note for the master fader

5. pull this level up

6. disable the inserts of the track

7. solo the track

8. go to the top-menu and search for the 'render to new track'-function

9. set the render-options (mono & 'render between locators') and redner

10. drag the new part from the new track to the original one

11. delete the new track

12. look at my note and pull down the track's level fader according to it

13. a) look at my note and pull up the send level(s) according to it

or

b) go to the mixer and enable the send(s)

14. look at my note and pull down the master level fader according to it

15. enable the track's inserts




And no, I'm neither kidding nor exaggerating.

[1barEnuff]

yeah, very time consuming stuff, and easy to forget a setting, more rendering options please! (but this might be the wrong thread)

john

[soma]

Jens, replacing one of the really cool features with third party payware doesn't make sense to me.
The recorder comp is just as needed today, for recording live noodlings when you're not using a sequencer. I still fill up the modular space with effects and play my guitar through it. How am I supposed to render that?

What is wrong with just using the sequencer as a recorder? The file gets saved to your temp folder or audio pool or you can render it to any file you want.

[jens]

yeah, very time consuming stuff, and easy to forget a setting, more rendering options please! (but this might be the wrong thread)

john

Yes, actually it belongs to the rendering-thread.

[Hovmod]

Jens, replacing one of the really cool features with third party payware doesn't make sense to me.
The recorder comp is just as needed today, for recording live noodlings when you're not using a sequencer. I still fill up the modular space with effects and play my guitar through it. How am I supposed to render that?

What is wrong with just using the sequencer as a recorder? The file gets saved to your temp folder or audio pool or you can render it to any file you want.

Nothing at all.
That's a good and very bloody obvious solution. Thanks.

[aMUSEd]

Jens, replacing one of the really cool features with third party payware doesn't make sense to me.
The recorder comp is just as needed today, for recording live noodlings when you're not using a sequencer. I still fill up the modular space with effects and play my guitar through it. How am I supposed to render that?

What is wrong with just using the sequencer as a recorder? The file gets saved to your temp folder or audio pool or you can render it to any file you want.

Well it was just a nice feature for when I'm playing on an instrument or a modular setup and just want to capture the sound there and then in the moment so to speak without losing my creative inspiration by having to set something else up first.

[soma]

aMuzed - just pretend that the sequencer is your audio out and you are set. Only difference is that you press record on a sequencer instead of an audio recorder. There is nothing else to setup.

[aMUSEd]

But I'm not really used to using the sequencer yet - never used it in V1, just the modular bit, and although I might use it more once it works how I want it in V2 (e.g. automation etc) at the moment I'd rather continue to use the modular view. In the modular view I can see clearly and visually how everything is connected and the signal flow and the recorder is clearly at the end of the signal chain - in the sequencer stuff is stacked in layers and there's a mixer and it's a different way of working.

[Hovmod]

For the simplicity of the audio out recorder I'll probably use eXT1 for that rather than the sequencer.

[Hovmod]

I didn't get any response on my post about AUX send to hardware, but I think I can put it here in the mixer FR thread:

There is no way to open or create a send (or insert, for that matter) that goes to hardware. This would be done by sending to an AUDIO OUT comp, bu I can't drag one of those to the SEND area in the mixer, or think of any other way of doing it.

The solution, of course, is to drag an eXT1 VST to the send area and route the audio to the AUDIO OUT in that one, but this seems like a cheesy workaround for a real problem.

After actually testing that, I found I can't do it.
So I can't use XT2 if I want to send to my reverb unit.
Can anyone confirm this?


EDIT: OK, new update. A very cumbersome routing exercise later, I've come up with a solution that includes an XT2 VST. I won't make any more noise about this except repeat my request to be able to drag the audio out comp to the send area in the mixer.

[jens]

Hovmod - that one is really easy to solve:

just route the send-channel (created with a dummy plugin) to the audio-out that you want to send through the hardware effect. I can't see a problem here.


(You appear to be thinking far more convoluted than neccessary here...)

[Hovmod]

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[wired]

i'm missing pretty much the volume level metering on mixer, just a simple "-6,4" displayed or so would be perfect.

[GatoKonBotas]

How about this: extend the ability to reorder the mixer strips to all of them, including Audio Out. I find having the master volume to the left of the individual channels quite counter-intuitive.