Basic theory problem that it seems to be overlook

[Aldanor]

if midi was not an audio file, just as a mp3 etc, both are equally nonaudio until their processed into audio, then their both equally audio. I'm talking in terms of reality. The definition of midi is not reality, but it is the definition.

This made my day, lmao!!

This thread is epic.

[jc21161]

Can I just advice skipscada to breathe deeply, make a cup of something and think for a minute before answering again? skipscada, you really are off the mark and need to study. You need to acknowledge that your idea is mistaken. I had one guy here tell me I could not hear my midi instruments play because midi is not audio, this is proof that the incorrect definition of midi is causing problems as well.
Should I just leave midi alone? Na, I think I'll keep using my Midi, band members are to lippy. Thank you very much though skipster, for the suggestions.


Hi Sascha, thank you so very very much for the latest post. I'm busy now but I'll talk to you later, please please! I can tell you are the smartest one here, reading your posts are like reading an interactive textbook, thanks...
I can sense your very sexy, women who showed no interest in flirting always are,
and your personality certainly is

[zmarx]

Can I just advice skipscada to breathe deeply, make a cup of something and think for a minute before answering again? skipscada, you really are off the mark and need to study. You need to acknowledge that your idea is mistaken. I had one guy here tell me I could not hear my midi instruments play because midi is not audio, this is proof that the incorrect definition of midi is causing problems as well.
Should I just leave midi alone? Na, I think I'll keep using my Midi, band members are to lippy. Thank you very much though skipster, for the suggestions.


Hi Sascha, thank you so very very much for the latest post. I'm busy now but I'll talk to you later, please please! I can tell you are the smartest one here, reading your posts are like reading an interactive textbook, thanks...
I can sense your very sexy, women who showed no interest in flirting always are,
and your personality certainly is

Sascha is a man. On a certain level men and women are the same kind of thing, but for everyday use it has proven to be quite handy to make a difference between them.

[jc21161]

Sascha is mp3 not midi? LOL

[skipscada]

Ok, you're just repeating my words. When I was little we used to do that to wind up people. I actually tried to be friendly, and I'll keep trying.

Can I just advice skipscada to breathe deeply,

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make a cup of something

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and think for a minute before answering again?

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skipscada, you really are off the mark and need to study. You need to acknowledge that your idea is mistaken. I had one guy here tell me I could not hear my midi instruments play because midi is not audio, this is proof that the incorrect definition of midi is causing problems as well.

My idea is that midi is a series of standard messages that instruct a midi-instrument how to emit or not emit sounds along a timeline. I didn't bother to look at a definition, so someone will surely be able to come up with something more precise. Can you?

Anyway, how about this: If you connect the midi out from your keyboard to your PC, you can use the program midi-ox to see these messages rendered as text (you need to touch something on your keyboard to send messages). The messages make sense when rendered as text because the physical reality of the sounds isn't the essence.
Mp3, on the other hand, has no meaning unless there's a preceding physical sound. (How would you render an Mp3 as text?) I guess you could "draw" an Mp3 within the digital realm, but it would be of little or no use. Does this make sense?

Another idea: The fact that there is no sound/audio in midi is reflected by the size of a song as midi file compared to its size in any audio format, compressed or not. Midi is short messages that roughly prescribe how something should sound, while an Mp3 is one long, very exact description of how something actually sounds. Or how would you put it?

Should I just leave midi alone? Na, I think I'll keep using my Midi, band members are to lippy. Thank you very much though skipster, for the suggestions.

Good call, Jayzee - machines don't talk back.

[The Fex]

I had one guy here tell me I could not hear my midi instruments play because midi is not audio

No, you didn't....

All the midi I downloaded so far sounds like a kidie organ

No, it doesn't. It's quite important that you understand this. MIDI doesn't sound like anything, because MIDI is not audio.

Which appears to be the consensus amongst those of us who know what we're talking about....

this is proof that the incorrect definition of midi is causing problems as well.

No, what's causing problems is that you haven't yet understood what you're being told, and it seems that you're not even trying to understand.

Now, MIDI and MP3 have to do with each other approximately as much as sheet music and a compact tape.

Just like sheet music, you need some instruments to make anything audible out of MIDI, because it's just that: sheet music for computers.

This is an excellent analogy. If you're confused about MIDI, it will pay to consider it.

If a pianist were to buy the sheet music for Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 14, and then complain that it sounded like a kiddy organ, I would conclude that the problem is not with Beethoven, the Sonata or the sheet music. The problem, as I would happily explain to the feckless pianist, is that he's playing the music on a frickin' kiddy organ, when he should be playing it on a piano.

Sheet music, as I would patiently explain to the misguided fool, is not audio. Please note that I'm not saying "it's not music", I'm saying "it's not audio". It's not. You can't hear sheet music, because you can't hear paper. Similarly, you can't hear MIDI, because MIDI is not audio. No-one's saying you can't hear the instruments that you play the music on. That's not the same thing at all.

If our feckless pianist now bought the sheet music as a pdf download, and insisted that it was the same as digital audio because it's all zeros and ones.... and if he were to maintain this ridiculous position in defiance of all evidence to the contrary.... well, then I would have to conclude that he was either being argumentative for the sake of it, or he was a hopeless idiot.

Are you a hopeless idiot, OP? If not, consider mystran's analogy, and then repeat after me:
Midi. Is. Not. Audio.

And then, perhaps, we can move on.

[herodotus]

a JP22 by any other name.....

[Cordelia]

Haha. I thought y'all were trying to have a conversation with a little kid, until I saw jc21161's picture.

What a great thread.
This is some funny trolling.

Except now I've got "Mystery of The Night" stuck in my head.

[lotus2035]

Surreal and Funny!.. Doesnt happen often around here.. but I dunno, some part of me thinks the OP might be a leg-puller..or else he really does need some meds..

[Cordelia]

I'm thinking jc is 47 years old (born Feb 11, 1961?). Just a guess. If so, that's too old to be this thick. Gotta be a leg-puller.

[jc21161]

Just like sheet music, you need some instruments to make anything audible out of MIDI, because it's just that: sheet music for computers.

Sheet music for computers? I have better remove my credit card numbers from my computer, I do not want it to start downloading a bunch of sheet music/midi from musicians friend. LOL

As always, thanks The Fex....
Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio.Midi. Is. Not. Audio. LOL

Thank you very much Cordelia for checking out my song....

[The Fex]

I'm thinking jc is 47 years old (born Feb 11, 1961?). Just a guess. If so, that's too old to be this thick. Gotta be a leg-puller.

What, you think people keep getting smarter as they get older? Not once they're much past the age of 22, in my experience. You're never too old to rock 'n' roll, you're never too young to die, and you're certainly never too old to be that thick. In fact, being thick gets easier as you get older.

Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio Midi. Is. Not. Audio.Midi. Is. Not. Audio.

Hallelujah!
If you want some help with your alleged song, maybe you should post the MIDI. That would be a .mid file, by the way, not an audio file.

[lotus2035]

I'm thinking jc is 47 years old (born Feb 11, 1961?). Just a guess. If so, that's too old to be this thick. Gotta be a leg-puller.

What, you think people keep getting smarter as they get older? Not once they're much past the age of 22, in my experience. You're never too old to rock 'n' roll, you're never too young to die, and you're certainly never too old to be that thick. In fact, being thick gets easier as you get older.

My motto these days is "the first step towards knowing anything is to know that you know nothing"!! When I was 22 I thought I knew it all.. wouldn't go back there for all the tea in china!!..

The phrase "All balls and no brains" springs to mind..

[lotus2035]

....in a song for example the MP3 program records data for just one drum beat for all the like drum beats, so the entire rhythm section is basically just the same few second of drum date being repeated over and over, thus greatly reducing file size. The same is true for repetitive vocals etc.

This is classic stuff..Thanks!!

[jc21161]

With all the thousands of views to this topic I'd better correct one error, it is MP1 MP2 and MP4 etc video compression not MP3 audio compression that switches out a lot of data for much less similar existing data, to greatly reduce file size.

And I might add MIDI should be called an audio file only in the same spirit as
flight attendants should be called stewartists and stewarts, and actors as actresses and actors and gonads as O, I'm not going there. LOL

Now to get back on topic of basic music theory, a question I have is, if you leave out the seventh chord (last chord in the key) in your songs chord progressions, will your solos using the same scale automatically sound better, more in key (or sound more in key?) I read somewhere that the seventh chord has a lot of "chromanticism" or some kind of word they used, I assume referring to the chord belonging to the chromatic scale somewhat?