Analog or digital ?

[LiteOn]

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... d-out.html

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You're a real Sherlock, aren't you? Good one ...


Cheers,
LiteOn

[pdxindy]

Check out my demo of my own Jupiter 6 that I did expressly for a member of this board. Hopefully my server can handle some load from this board.

http://lain-net.net/Jupiter6demo.mp3
http://lain-net.net/Jupiter6bass.mp3

A few different sounds from it, totally dry, no eq, compression, effects or even MIDI. Straight from the synth.

There are certain qualities and characteristics in real analog that digital cannot match. Ironically, I do not find the above demos musically very interesting. So in some 'absolute' sound quality sense, analog is better, but for me, in 'musical' sound quality, the choice is not so clear cut.

[uvacom]

Well I guess I like cypher better than a Jupiter 6. Hooray for me! I like the response of the envelopes, the wide-open detuned oscillator tone, the resonance characteristic*, everything. However, I still think the Jupiter 6 is one of the prettiest synths ever, and the layout of the front panel is great for patch programming.

*The resonance is actually a tossup, it sounds like the jupiter's filter is being driven harder and that does create a nice sound depending on the application, but it also exposes the low resolution of the controls, exactly like I was saying - listen to the jupiter demo between 1:20 and 1:30, there is some very obvious stepping when the filter cutoff is swept.

[Prevalence]

1. Ana

2. Dig

2 sounds more familiar! (unfortunately)

[Naturalist]

pdxindy, you mistakenly attributed that quote to me.

By the way, good point about "musical" sound quality.

[jupiter8]

Hello all,back again. I had some urgent social calls to attend to (yes contrary to popular belief i do have a life,not much admittedly but still(in short,i got drunk(again)). I see someone has broken the riddle. I'm actually very surprised how many got it right.
To me they could as well be the same synth.

Kudos to livingsounds (maybe you do have a point after all), whyterabbyt (i was very tempted),

@naturalist (you're not the messiah,you're a very naughty boy)
@zerocrossing (no,not high.I usually don't partake in these matters but it's been known to happen,not tonight though)
@Echoes in the attic (prepare to open your wallet)

Sorry for all the suspense. To me they sound so similar it isn't even interesting which is which but i see some disagree.

Nr1 is indeed the Jupiter 6 and nr2 is indeed DCAM. The really funny part is that i'm not quite 100 % sure myself. Did i mix up the files or did'nt i ?
DL from the original thread and find out for yourself.

[Prevalence]

This was a fun thread to keep an eye on. Thanks!

Bestest, Paul

[pdxindy]

pdxindy, you mistakenly attributed that quote to me.

By the way, good point about "musical" sound quality.

Sorry, that was inadvertent. Will correct it.

[Urs]

Nr1 is indeed the Jupiter 6 and nr2 is indeed DCAM.

Yesss*

[living sounds]

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/electron ... d-out.html

From the above thread:

Jupiter 6?! - oh now I have to get involved.

I understand that the demo is not the greatest to show off this product but blah, bland! I have to agree with livingsounds.

Check out my demo of my own Jupiter 6 that I did expressly for a member of this board. Hopefully my server can handle some load from this board.

http://lain-net.net/Jupiter6demo.mp3
http://lain-net.net/Jupiter6bass.mp3

A few different sounds from it, totally dry, no eq, compression, effects or even MIDI. Straight from the synth.

Sorry Yoozer I'm not trying to jab at you again.

Thanks for posting these top examples of why analog synths sound so good! My first synth was a Jupiter 6, it was at a music shop on display next to a few hardware VA synths with the aim of showing how much better the VA's were - boy did that backfire completely. After about a minute playing I asked to buy the Jupiter 6, selfish of me though it was to not allow everyone else to see just how much better the analog synth was. I love all the character of the jupiter 6 and especially the envelope "buzz" which is clearest when the filter is way down low.

In defence of synth squad I think the "mid" tone that people have previously commented was just the drive in the preset being used.

I've put together an example with no post filter drive (by setting the amp low and making up the gain with the level control) . In this example I used cypher with no unison, just the 3 osc, and one svf in lp 24 mode, in serial with another svf in hp 24 mode. At the end I just let the low pass self oscillate tuned to 100% keytrack to play the same melody as before. The example is completely dry.

http://www.vellocet.com/SynthSquadAudio ... p_demo.mp3

Andrew Simper

Andy, I like your no bullshit attitude and that demo sounded very nice - much better than how softsynths usually sound. Would it be possible to dial in a sound resembling the CS-80 PWM arpeggio in this Vangelis track?

YouTube - Vangelis - Spiral [stereo]

I might just buy a VSTi synth then...

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If the first file is a plugin (without additional analog processing) I'll buy it right away. Sounds great.

And I second the notion about analog/digital envelopes.

I reckon 1 is Jupiter 6 and 2 is Cypher.

I reckon 1 is Jupiter 6 and 2 is Cypher.

Cheater.

I reckon 1 is Jupiter 6 and 2 is Cypher.

Cheater.

Not everything is as serious as you seem to think it is. Lighten up a bit it's good for your health.

I reckon 1 is Jupiter 6 and 2 is Cypher.

Cheater.

Not everything is as serious as you seem to think it is. Lighten up a bit it's good for your health.

I guess I should have written "Cheater ". That's how it was meant.

I'm a bit astounded how many people get this wrong. Even the designer of the VSTi in question admits that the good old analog synths still sounds a lot better.

So what? Your implying I got it right because I knew? I didn't. Not this morning when I was first listening, judging the files and writing my thoughts down. Some time later I remembered, and this should be clear from my posts, otherwise I wouldn't have refered to the developer etc. But I was not the one to name the synths and spoil the fun. And yes, it is very obvious from the sound alone.

[Echoes in the Attic]

@Echoes in the attic (prepare to open your wallet)

Don't need to. I already own Synth Squad!

However, it's still new to me and I do use a variety of synths, so I'm not surprised I didn't immediately recognize it. I'm still constantly surprised by the DCAM synths. I personally like the sound of that Cypher demo better than the Juno demo.

[mm_FX]

I think it's worth stressing that Andy reverse-engineered that demo just using the MP3, and Cypher is significantly different from the JP6. Andy knows his synthesis, and also knows the JP6 backwards Also worth noting is he didn't recreate the PWM in the analog version. I think he was going to do another attempt with PWM when he had the time. The whole thing was just for fun though - Cypher isn't a model of the JP6 so ultimately any comparison is moot.

[Naturalist]

So what? Your implying I got it right because I knew? I didn't. Not this morning when I was first listening, judging the files and writing my thoughts down. Some time later I remembered, and this should be clear from my posts, otherwise I wouldn't have refered to the developer etc.

I'm just implying that this test is poorly done. Sorry for not stating my intention for posting those quotes.

I believe you when you say that you didn't know until later, especially since (as you pointed out), you wouldn't have referred to the developer.

But I was not the one to name the synths and spoil the fun.

jupiter8 was.

Nr1 is indeed the Jupiter 6 and nr2 is indeed DCAM.

And yes, it is very obvious from the sound alone.

I agree. I think it's the most obvious when the detuning kicks in. The Jupiter 6 maintains its clarity whereas Cypher becomes muddy. A previous poster made the same observation:

My first thought was the 1st one was analog, since it didn't seem to break up like the 2nd one when detuning came in.

[longbongsilver]

And here I was thinking the analog one was a Matrix-12...

[zerocrossing]

So... what have we learned here? The example we (mostly) all thought was analog was the analog one and the one we thought was digital was the digital one.

Funny, I didn't write it, but if I had to guess I was going to say the second example was Ultra Analog. Nice sounding but the more examples I hear of Synth Squad the more I think it's another decent VA. I'd put Sawer up against it for pure sound and I bet a lot of you'd be surprised.