oh nOeS!

[djanthonyw]

[musikmachine]

indeed. and what an unnecessary one... it seems nowadays bumping an uninterresting one due to the lack of creating a new interresting one is on the move here on kvr more and more...
oh wait - now i posted here...

Alright, now I'm part of some loser statistic, what a downer

Now?

[VSTJuNkiE]

indeed. and what an unnecessary one... it seems nowadays bumping an uninterresting one due to the lack of creating a new interresting one is on the move here on kvr more and more...
oh wait - now i posted here...

Alright, now I'm part of some loser statistic, what a downer

Now?

Well, he obviously didn't want you to feel lonely.....

[Urs]

indeed. and what an unnecessary one... it seems nowadays bumping an uninterresting one due to the lack of creating a new interresting one is on the move here on kvr more and more...
oh wait - now i posted here...

My bad... I linked it from this thread. It's started by the same OP, and I needed to point out his remarkable views.

(by all means, according to OP, shouldn't ACE be considered unique because of its *lack* of supersaw, and the "political" reasons for that?)

[GeorgeZ]

There's no such thing as bad publicity, just roll with it

[Axis1~SL61]

"Thread Necromancy" indeed... but why was WOK's comment erased (including in the citations) ?.. It seems I and a few others quoted it but now it's erased everywhere and I can't remember what it was... hmmm... strange...
Anyone noticed that too?

[olikana]

yes i agree "100% free of supersaw" is a pretty stupid statement.
one can still make a supersaw with 1PWMpulse+1saw (+1saw).
they should just say the synth doesn't feature unison .
unison+spread is not only useful for supersaws btw.

[Urs]

they should just say the synth doesn't feature unison

But it does feature unison. Unison does not equal Supersaw.

The problem with supersaw is that multiple detuned sawtooth signals are summed and typically fed into a single filter. This all too often leads to a rather unpleasant tone due to intermodulation noise. Distortion adds quite a bit of non-harmonic content to supersaw signals.

Unison (multiple detuned synth voices playing the same note) on the other hand allows for multiple sawtooth oscillators fed into a filter *each*, generating purely harmonic distortion. Thus the statement "100% free of supersaw" is an expression for the superior quality of unsion sounds that can be achieved with ACE.

[Examigan]

I liked the demo of Ace, except I only have a dual-core PC and it is tough on it.
Many of the presets in there nearly max it out.
How can I run anything else, like Battery (or multiple instances of Ace) at the same time?

I have read you can turn down the quality until rendering (to save cpu), where is that setting so I can try it out?

[Urs]

I have read you can turn down the quality until rendering (to save cpu), where is that setting so I can try it out?

On the top left of the gui, above "LFO", are 8 menus/switches. One of them is marked "quality". Setting this to "standard" will make a big difference in cpu usage, but some advanced techniques (FilterFM, ResonanceFM, Crossmodulation) will sound a bit distorted.

[Examigan]

I have read you can turn down the quality until rendering (to save cpu), where is that setting so I can try it out?

On the top left of the gui, above "LFO", are 8 menus/switches. One of them is marked "quality". Setting this to "standard" will make a big difference in cpu usage, but some advanced techniques (FilterFM, ResonanceFM, Crossmodulation) will sound a bit distorted.

Thanks I will check that out.

[olikana]

.But it does feature unison. Unison does not equal Supersaw

The problem with supersaw is that multiple detuned sawtooth signals are summed and typically fed into a single filter. This all too often leads to a rather unpleasant tone due to intermodulation noise. Distortion adds quite a bit of non-harmonic content to supersaw signals.

Unison (multiple detuned synth voices playing the same note) on the other hand allows for multiple sawtooth oscillators fed into a filter *each*, generating purely harmonic distortion. Thus the statement "100% free of supersaw" is an expression for the superior quality of unsion sounds that can be achieved with ACE.

sorry i'm not familiar with ACE ...from what the OP said it seemed it did not have unison.
unison does not not necessarily equal supersaw (i was first to say it can be useful for a variery of sound) but 16 unison saws + detune/spread are indeed a supersaw.
supersaw since years refers to a type of sound (stack of saws detuned) not specifically anymore to the supersaw oscillator of the jp8000 (which imo was always a gimmick , almost a preset of what u could just achieve with detuning saws,and wasn't even a new sound)
most softsynths do supersaws the unison way u describe(unison 16 saws + detune)and that's how i always done them:
all of the synths i have do it the unison way.
korg legacy (ms20+monopoly etc)
oatmeal
xhip
infact i believe there are more vstis which stack saws at global unison level rather than at oscillator level.
and even 10 years ago the microQ and the other VAs that came after the jp8000 did it that way(unison +spread).

so i don't see anything new with the method u describe....and the "100% free of supersaw" does sound like a political statement rather than a technical one....and the OP went berzerk on that and we have yet another useless thread about nothing.

[whyterabbyt]

the "100% free of supersaw" does sound like a political statement rather than a technical one....

im starting to wonder if the word 'political' even vaguely means the same thing as it used to...

political
- 3 dictionary results
po·lit·i·cal
   /pəˈlɪtɪkəl/ Show Spelled[puh-lit-i-kuhl] Show IPA
-adjective
1.
of, pertaining to, or concerned with politics: political writers.
2.
of, pertaining to, or connected with a political party: a political campaign.
3.
exercising or seeking power in the governmental or public affairs of a state, municipality, etc.: a political machine; a political boss.
4.
of, pertaining to, or involving the state or its government: a political offense.
5.
having a definite policy or system of government: a political community.
6.
of or pertaining to citizens: political rights.

seriously... '100% supersaw free' is a vaguely tongue-in-cheek pseudo-marketing style comment. wtf is 'political' about it ffs?

anyone know which synth has teh least political sine waveforms with teh most socio-economic harmonics?

[Urs]

Well, in my understanding Supersaw still refers to a stack of sawtooth oscillators, while unison refers to a stack of whole synthesizer voices (with oscillators, envelopes, amplifiers, filters etc.).

Afaiaa most (if not all) synthesizers that are famous for their Supersaw sound use stacked oscillators rather than stacked voices. The exception being various analogue Roland synths of 1980ies which made that kind of sound popular with their unison presets, e.g. the infamous "Hoover" sound (which actually was a stack of PWM sounds, not sawtooths).

As for the "politicality" statement - yes, we can't deny that we think that Supersaw is inferior to unison. Actually, we find that many synths that are promoted with the Supersaw buzzword are only done so to distract from the weakness of whatever their sound is like when the Supersaw feature is turned off. It occurrs to us that promoting Supersaw equals "otherwise bad sound". And that's why we explicitely market it as "100% free of Supersaw".

[trimph1]

The Politics Of Supersaws.

Supersaws as radical other to simple Unison

I think the difference is in terms of the waves themselves. Sawtooth waves piled up on top of each other gives us supersaws. Various other waves when done the same way gives us unison. Big whoop.